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  • #31
    Originally posted by TS Garp View Post
    To those of you who think the Giants would've made the playoffs without Posey...I don't know what to say. Take Posey out of that lineup and replace him with Hector Sanchez and you still think they're a playoff team? Dream on...
    Take Braun out of the Brewer lineup, and they're about 30 back - in May. Fact is, the Giants have a whole lot more than Posey - a strong top three SPs, decent #4 (Zito, amazingly enough), and a very strong bullpen. Maybe the Giants don't make the playoffs without Posey, but they'd be close. The Pirates aren't remotely relevant without Cutch, and the Brewers would have been beyond buried without Braun.
    I'm just here for the baseball.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by Mithrandir View Post
      Take mccutcheon off of the Bucs and do they even win 60 games?
      According to WAR, they'd win 72. And still not be in the playoffs.

      Originally posted by chancellor
      Take Braun out of the Brewer lineup, and they're about 30 back - in May.
      With his WAR being 6.8, they'd have 77 wins.


      Unless, of course, everyone tosses out the WAR statistic when it doesn't make a good argument.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by revo View Post
        According to WAR, they'd win 72. And still not be in the playoffs.



        With his WAR being 6.8, they'd have 77 wins.


        Unless, of course, everyone tosses out the WAR statistic when it doesn't make a good argument.
        what was Posey's WAR?
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        • #34
          Originally posted by TS Garp View Post
          To those of you who think the Giants would've made the playoffs without Posey...I don't know what to say. Take Posey out of that lineup and replace him with Hector Sanchez and you still think they're a playoff team? Dream on...
          Agreed. Posey's OPS in the 2nd half was 1.102! 164 OPS+ for the season from a C makes Posey the MVP, Cutch 2nd, Braun 3rd. IMO.
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          • #35
            Originally posted by eldiablo505
            His fWAR (the Fangraphs one) is 8.0. He has the highest WAR in the NL, in no small part because he plays catcher.
            Which brings up a question that I don't know the answer to, and maybe these guys can help -- is WAR bent towards the up the middle positions (C, 2B, SS, CF)? It seems like guys with solid, if unspectacular stats, at those positions who play above-average defense have higher WARs. True?

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            • #36
              Congrats to Posey!

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