Dynasty Soto

[GwynnInTheHall]

I have offered Betts and Bieber--Betts and Rondon. I know that might be ALMOST enough, but is it in the right direction and WHAT if anything would you take as an owner to get the deal across the finish line?

[The Feral Slasher]

I have offered Betts and Bieber--Betts and Rondon. I know that might be ALMOST enough, but is it in the right direction and WHAT if anything would you take as an owner to get the deal across the finish line?

Depends on how big the league and rosters are - but probably one more star player

[GwynnInTheHall]

Depends on how big the league and rosters are - but probably one more star player

Leagues are 18-20 teams standard 23 active rosters One Obp the other Avg. 20-25 minor league rosters.

Lots of players of which Soto in only one, yet the best.

[The Feral Slasher]

Yeah, I think another star player that isn't too old plus Betts/Bieber would be close without looking at it too deeply.

[Sour Masher]

It depends on whether the Soto owner thinks the Biebs can get back to his peak. Peak Biebs and Betts would be enough on their own, but where Biebs is at right now, I'd need another good player or elite prospect.

[The Feral Slasher]

It depends on whether the Soto owner thinks the Biebs can get back to his peak. Peak Biebs and Betts would be enough on their own, but where Biebs is at right now, I'd need another good player or elite prospect.

In dynasty I would be very conservative in assuming long term pitcher productivity and health.

[Sour Masher]

In dynasty I would be very conservative in assuming long term pitcher productivity and health.

A good plan, but having an ace locked up sure is nice. But yeah, it is especially problematic when said ace has already shown decline.

[revo]

Betts & Bieber is a solid start. I wouldn't do it, but it's not bad. I agree it will take another star player.

Betts & Rondon? Is this Rendon? If so, that's not close.

[Ken]

Betts & Bieber is a solid start. I wouldn't do it, but it's not bad. I agree it will take another star player.

Betts & Rondon? Is this Rendon? If so, that's not close.

he meant carlos rodon

[Pauly]

Rodon or Rendon, doesnt seem close at all. I would think that a Soto deal cannot be done without a superstar young player - a Wander Franco type. Yes Betts is 29 but just doesnt seem like the same guy he was. Tossing in an older 3B or a very often injured pitcher just seems insulting for a 23-year-old who is the best player in baseball to a large chunk of people.

[Ken]

Rodon or Rendon, doesnt seem close at all. I would think that a Soto deal cannot be done without a superstar young player - a Wander Franco type. Yes Betts is 29 but just doesnt seem like the same guy he was. Tossing in an older 3B or a very often injured pitcher just seems insulting for a 23-year-old who is the best player in baseball to a large chunk of people.

As the other person on this trade, it wasn't insulting but I wasnt close to accepting either

[Sour Masher]

Rodon or Rendon, doesnt seem close at all. I would think that a Soto deal cannot be done without a superstar young player - a Wander Franco type. Yes Betts is 29 but just doesnt seem like the same guy he was. Tossing in an older 3B or a very often injured pitcher just seems insulting for a 23-year-old who is the best player in baseball to a large chunk of people.

Good point on Betts. I keep expecting him to be vintage again, but it has not happened yet. At 29, it seems reasonable to expect another 3-4 seasons of peak performance, but maybe he is one of those guys that declines early off his peak. I keep thinking Bieber can get back to what he flashed too (and at 26, as an arm, he could have just as long a run of elite production as Soto, as top tier arms can sometimes age very well), but until that happens, it would be hard to give up a generational type talent like Soto with those two being the main pieces coming back.

I have a tendency to overrate guys like Betts and Bieber. Neither is over the hill. Both have been at the very top of the production mountain fairly recently. Neither has an obvious reason why it would be impossible to get back to that level of production (shoulder injuries are always scary for pitchers, but all the reports were that Bieber's recovery went very well, so it seems plausible that with time, he can get the velocity back). But on the other hand, they are not there now, and Soto is still obscenely young for his level of production. It is a deal that I think would be perceived very differently if both Betts and Bieber had come out of the gate on fire. But that did not happen and there are legit questions about exactly how good they both are right now and going forward. I'd still love to have them, but giving up a 23 year old Soto is awfully hard to do no matter the return.

[virgonomic]

Dynasty Soto might be a character in the next Star Wars movie.

[GwynnInTheHall]

Rodon or Rendon, doesnt seem close at all. I would think that a Soto deal cannot be done without a superstar young player - a Wander Franco type. Yes Betts is 29 but just doesnt seem like the same guy he was. Tossing in an older 3B or a very often injured pitcher just seems insulting for a 23-year-old who is the best player in baseball to a large chunk of people.

No Insult intended--I offered what I believed to be my best hitter and pitcher for Soto and was just wondering what additional piece would be needed to get the deal done. Soto is indeed the #1 dynasty player, but Betts and Bieber are both in the top 25--Rodon (the pitcher) is indeed ranked lower, but since the beginning of the 2021 season has been one of the best arms in baseball and THE best K/9 arm so I'm probably higher on him than some. I guess I won't be acquiring Soto anytime soon eh?

[Ken]

No Insult intended--I offered what I believed to be my best hitter and pitcher for Soto and was just wondering what additional piece would be needed to get the deal done. Soto is indeed the #1 dynasty player, but Betts and Bieber are both in the top 25--Rodon (the pitcher) is indeed ranked lower, but since the beginning of the 2021 season has been one of the best arms in baseball and THE best K/9 arm so I'm probably higher on him than some. I guess I won't be acquiring Soto anytime soon eh?

I could be tempted for Betts + Rodon + another top bat but I am not finding that bat