Trout for Bieber?

[Sharky]

I am in the market for pitching in our AL 5x5 league. I reached out for the team that has Shane Bieber (Bieber is final year). He asked for Mike Trout $54 (year one) and said both are four category studs.

His actual offer is Bieber and Kyle Isbel $18 for Trout and Randy Dobnak $13.

HQ actually has Bieber valued higher than Trout, which surprised me. I feel like wins are somewhat random and overall risk is much lower with Trout. Also I can keep Trout for two more years should I chose to. Am I missing something? How close are Trout and Bieber? And is there a scenario in which you consider that deal? I am inclined to reject it out of hand, but wanted to double check with the ‘pen.

Thanks!

[Sour Masher]

I think truly elite pitching like Bieber is undervalued, or it may be more accurate to say that the inherent risk with arms is baked in to their perceived value. It is quite possible that Bieber out-earns Trout this year, but I would still prefer the greatest bat of his generation over who might be the top pitcher in the AL this year. The fact that he can be kept longer, even close to his full value makes it even more weighted in his favor. But it isn't a crazy offer--it is close, really. I'd still want to have clearly the better end of the secondary players, and I don't think you get that in Isbel over Dobnak. If you need pitching and can give up Trout, though, try to make the secondary player swap more weighted in your favor and do it.

[Sharky]

Thanks Sour Masher. Anyone else?

[GwynnInTheHall]

Thanks Sour Masher. Anyone else?

I love Bieber, but Trout for the win......

[The Feral Slasher]

Thanks Sour Masher. Anyone else?

I tend to like pitching more than anyone...but I would keep Trout or ask for more

[revo]

It’s certainly fair, but I ain’t trading Trout ever.....

[Sour Masher]

It’s certainly fair, but I ain’t trading Trout ever.....

I mean, this is probably the best thing to tell others, to avoid bad offers, but this cannot be true. If someone offers you Shane Bieber and Jose Ramirez for him in a 12 team AL only league where you two glaring weaknesses are SP and 3b and you are loaded in the OF, cuz they know they have 6 months to live and their dying wish is to own Trout just once, I think you would do it.

[revo]

I mean, this is probably the best thing to tell others, to avoid bad offers, but this cannot be true. If someone offers you Shane Bieber and Jose Ramirez for him in a 12 team AL only league where you two glaring weaknesses are SP and 3b and you are loaded in the OF, cuz they know they have 6 months to live and their dying wish is to own Trout just once, I think you would do it.

If someone offered me Bieber & Ramirez for Trout, OK, I’d do it.

[Gregg]

If someone offered me Bieber & Ramirez for Trout, OK, I’d do it.

Trouts Mom would make that deal.

[Ken]

It’s certainly fair, but I ain’t trading Trout ever.....

So you'd take him 1.01 this year?

[Pauly]

It’s certainly fair, but I ain’t trading Trout ever.....

Obviously not in AL only, but if someone offered you Soto for Trout straight up I bet you would probably do it.

[ssmallz]

Is this obp or average? What’s the rest of your team like? There’s too much context for any of us to make an accurate assessment for you. It’s a fair trade but should you do it? Depends on team construct

[ThatRogue]

So you'd take him 1.01 this year?

I would...if I played AL-only.

And I wouldn't trade Trout for Bieber unless there was a player much better than Isbel attached to the deal.