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  • Originally posted by Ken View Post
    Where did Verlander go the last couple years?
    2019 20.87
    2018 39.90
    2017 43.39
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    • Originally posted by Todd Zola View Post
      2019 20.87
      2018 39.90
      2017 43.39
      Thanks. Great data, I’ve been looking for past years adp for other purposes. Is that availabile on mastersball

      If a 36 yo can go 21st, seems like Scherzer is in the right range at 27

      I think Verlander was pretty high in 2020 too

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      • Originally posted by Ken View Post
        Thanks. Great data, I’ve been looking for past years adp for other purposes. Is that availabile on mastersball

        If a 36 yo can go 21st, seems like Scherzer is in the right range at 27

        I think Verlander was pretty high in 2020 too
        Undrafted players, tsk tsk
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        • Originally posted by DMT View Post
          Undrafted players, tsk tsk
          Haha I don’t think he will get drafted

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          • Originally posted by Ken View Post
            Thanks. Great data, I’ve been looking for past years adp for other purposes. Is that availabile on mastersball

            If a 36 yo can go 21st, seems like Scherzer is in the right range at 27

            I think Verlander was pretty high in 2020 too
            Sorry 2020 14.86

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            • I find it difficult to reconcile why i love Darvish but am meh on Scherzer. Must be recency bias. Need to do some internal reflecting.

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              • Round 1- my top 8 does not include Cole, but includes both deGrom and Story. When they were both on the table I had a tough choice. This was about an hour before the Arenado trade broke. I picked deGrom since I did have him valued higher, even though I wasn't sure. Kinda dodged a bullet there.

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                • Originally posted by Todd Zola View Post
                  Ok I’m interested in the discussion for why the market is so down on Scherzer vs 2019/2020 Verlander

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                  • Originally posted by Ken View Post
                    Ok I’m interested in the discussion for why the market is so down on Scherzer vs 2019/2020 Verlander
                    From a quick look 2018/2019 Verlander was a lot better than 2020 Scherzer.
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                    • Originally posted by The Feral Slasher View Post
                      From a quick look 2018/2019 Verlander was a lot better than 2020 Scherzer.
                      Ah, if the 2020 stats are the issue I’m in on Scherzer for sure. Small sample to make any negative judgement and he is still striking over over 12/9ip so the stuff is still there

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                      • Originally posted by Ken View Post
                        Ah, if the 2020 stats are the issue I’m in on Scherzer for sure. Small sample to make any negative judgement and he is still striking over over 12/9ip so the stuff is still there
                        Others may have other concerns, it just appeared to me Verlander was far superior for the years noted. Scherzers whip was 1.38 if I recall vs. .80 or thereabout for Verlander. Small sample size noted
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                        The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.
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                        • My buddy who's an Astros fan was so confident in Verlander that he bet me $100 he'd finish with a higher WAR during his 2-year contract extension than Kyle Hendricks would during his 4-year extension. Easy money.
                          If DMT didn't exist we would have to invent it. There has to be a weirdest thing. Once we have the concept weird, there has to be a weirdest thing. And DMT is simply it.
                          - Terence McKenna

                          Bullshit is everywhere. - George Carlin (& Jon Stewart)

                          How old would you be if you didn't know how old you are? - Satchel Paige

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                          • Originally posted by The Feral Slasher View Post
                            Others may have other concerns, it just appeared to me Verlander was far superior for the years noted. Scherzers whip was 1.38 if I recall vs. .80 or thereabout for Verlander. Small sample size noted
                            My point was that 2020 stars mean very little, so bringing up a 1.38 WHIP isn’t really relevant

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                            • Originally posted by Ken View Post
                              My point was that 2020 stars mean very little, so bringing up a 1.38 WHIP isn’t really relevant
                              I thought you were trying to understand why Scherzer wasn't rated as highly as Verlander was in previous years? I believe his 1.38 whip in his 12 starts of 2020 is probably relevant to that.
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                              The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.
                              George Orwell, 1984

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                              • I forgot about this last week. In case anyone forgot now is a good time to set lineups. And I severely underestimated the need for MI depth
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                                The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.
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