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Originally posted by Hornsby View PostAll the owners want is the postseason, that's all this has ever been about. Postseason is the cash cow, and the players hardly get a taste.“Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe.”
― Albert Einstein
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Originally posted by cavebird View PostNo, that will be about money. And, hell, I don't even know if they care if they win it. If the owners' defense is losing money, they can argue back that the owners can't prove that without showing the real books, which helps them for 2022.“Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe.”
― Albert Einstein
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And the owners may well grieve over the "players not bargaining in good faith". Had I remembered to buy beer yesterday, I'd have attributed that to mishearing due to my post-MMA stupor. But I was sober, and when Passan said that on ESPN Sportscenter last night, I couldn't believe it.
I agree with cavebird - I think the union welcomes any grievance at this point where they can possibly pry open the owners books as prep for the 2022 labor wa...I mean negotiation.I'm just here for the baseball.
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This is dangerous territory for the owners. If they impose a short season of say 48-52 games, and the union wins its grievance, the owners could potentially be on the hook for repaying as much as 20-24 games in back pay, or ~$500m.
If they're smart, which they're not, they would just go with a middleground of 60 games.
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Right on Revo. Tony Clarke dropped the mic with "It's time to get back to work. Tell us where and when". That's all his press conference needed to be. No doubt this is about the next CBA and opening the books. Owners are in it now.
This better get this done by Fathers Day. It'll be like getting an ugly tie from the relative you don't really like but at least it will be a present.
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Originally posted by revo View PostThis is dangerous territory for the owners. If they impose a short season of say 48-52 games, and the union wins its grievance, the owners could potentially be on the hook for repaying as much as 20-24 games in back pay, or ~$500m.
If they're smart, which they're not, they would just go with a middleground of 60 games.
And, gosh, everyone could be smart - Manfred could impose a 60-game season, the players and owners could celebrate the compromise, the short season generates some new teams and a high level of excitement in the playoffs, and viewership is very high. Yeah, I know. That can't happen.I'm just here for the baseball.
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Originally posted by chancellor View PostThe more I think about the MLBPA's move, the more I admire it. If Manfred imposes a short season, while I doubt they'd win the grievance, they might. But more importantly, they will get a better look at owner finances. If Manfred imposes a 60-game season, then they landed 20% more than expected. If the owners grieve, per ESPN last night, I can't think of a winning scenario for them and the MLBPA may well get better looks at the books. And the players get huge plus PR - I mean, think about it - the commish imposes a short season after the players told them "where and when" and the owners grieve them.
And, gosh, everyone could be smart - Manfred could impose a 60-game season, the players and owners could celebrate the compromise, the short season generates some new teams and a high level of excitement in the playoffs, and viewership is very high. Yeah, I know. That can't happen.
I'd love to see the owners impose a short season and get smacked around in an arbitration case against them. It's clear as day that they used the leverage of the calendar against the players. It would be poetic justice.
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Not sure if this has already been discussed, but if/when Manfred comes out with the schedule...can he expand the playoffs this year without the players approval. I'm thinking he can't but not sure. If the players have to agree...well that's not happening...right?
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Originally posted by fuhrdog View PostNot sure if this has already been discussed, but if/when Manfred comes out with the schedule...can he expand the playoffs this year without the players approval. I'm thinking he can't but not sure. If the players have to agree...well that's not happening...right?
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Originally posted by revo View PostThis proves MLB is in the wrong, as they know the Union will file a grievance against them if Manfred implements a schedule of their choosing, one in which they stand a great chance of losing.
Idiots.
I actually think it's a cover for internal dissension among the owners about how many games should be played - I don't think they were ready for Tony Clark to do what he did since the MLBPA has always pretty much folded before in cases like this.
However, your conclusion is succinct and inerrant.I'm just here for the baseball.
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Originally posted by chancellor View PostThat's certainly possible, given that past performance does not necessarily equal future results. Though I still think it's very doubtful the players win this arb case.
I actually think it's a cover for internal dissension among the owners about how many games should be played - I don't think they were ready for Tony Clark to do what he did since the MLBPA has always pretty much folded before in cases like this.
However, your conclusion is succinct and inerrant.
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