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    Keeper list quality

    RJEL. 18 teams, 5x5 using OBP, pretty high inflation (top players go for 50-60, Altuve went for 62 last year). 10 keepers plus a bunch of minor leaguers. This is what I'm looking at:

    Yonder Alonso 5/option
    Mondesi 1B
    Pham 5/option
    Piscotty 10B
    Stanton 46/option
    Trout 25X
    Flaherty 1A
    Greinke 24/option
    Morton 2/option
    Sale 51B
    Bieber 8B

    (would need to skip one of those)

    minors:
    Tatis 3
    Burnes 5
    Gore 6
    the first pick, which is either Paddack or Brujan or someone drafted last year
    and a bunch of mostly irrelevant guys

    There's one team with an excellent keeper list and a couple teams that are probably better than mine, but it's obviously not terrible. Obviously it doesn't hurt to start looking at offers, but should I even be considering trading Trout before the season starts?
    In the best of times, our days are numbered, anyway. And it would be a crime against Nature for any generation to take the world crisis so solemnly that it put off enjoying those things for which we were presumably designed in the first place, and which the gravest statesmen and the hoarsest politicians hope to make available to all men in the end: I mean the opportunity to do good work, to fall in love, to enjoy friends, to sit under trees, to read, to hit a ball and bounce the baby.
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    Originally posted by mjl View Post
    RJEL. 18 teams, 5x5 using OBP, pretty high inflation (top players go for 50-60, Altuve went for 62 last year). 10 keepers plus a bunch of minor leaguers. This is what I'm looking at:

    Yonder Alonso 5/option
    Mondesi 1B
    Pham 5/option
    Piscotty 10B
    Stanton 46/option
    Trout 25X
    Flaherty 1A
    Greinke 24/option
    Morton 2/option
    Sale 51B
    Bieber 8B

    (would need to skip one of those)

    minors:
    Tatis 3
    Burnes 5
    Gore 6
    the first pick, which is either Paddack or Brujan or someone drafted last year
    and a bunch of mostly irrelevant guys

    There's one team with an excellent keeper list and a couple teams that are probably better than mine, but it's obviously not terrible. Obviously it doesn't hurt to start looking at offers, but should I even be considering trading Trout before the season starts?
    I would keep Trout. It looks like a strong group to me. I'd drop Alonso most likely depending on what's out there.

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    • #3
      Bieber would be outside looking in for me but could also see tossing back Stanton and using that $ at the draft somewhere else.

      Trading Trout is tough as you'd need quite a haul to have that make sense but yes I'd probably put him out there to see what came back. In season deals will be tough since he's on an expiring contract and thus only other contending teams would be interested. However, if you're contending and they're contending then teams probably aren't apt to overpay. Thus, if you plan to contend then trading before the season makes more sense (a bit counter-intuitive) as the market is bigger. However, if you were a rebuilder (which I know you're not) then trading after the season is better as you should be able to target whichever pieces you wanted.

      However, if you're planning to contend it may just make sense to keep him for one last run and if in late July you're out you could probably still get a decent prospect back.

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      • #4
        Pretty much what Rick said...I'd probably extend Pham for at least a year, and really explore dealing Trout. You'd have to get at least one stud producing in the majors, and one top 20 prospect, along with something else. Don't know if I'd keep Sale at 51 after his (very minor) issues late in the season, but he's a hell of an anchor. Agree with Rick again, if you want to keep Sale, get rid of Stanton.
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        • #5
          Stanton would be the odd man out for me.

          I would keep Trout. He will still bring value if you have to trade him in season. Your team seems good enough that if you have a good auction you can compete.

          I would give Pham a one year raise and no other raises.

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          • #6
            Yea Stanton is the one I'd drop as well. Put him on the block and see if you get any decent offers...I'm guessing you won't. And trading Trout now only makes sense if you're rebuilding IMO.
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            • #7
              I think this is a very good list for an 18 team league. It looks better than some of my competitors in a 15 team mixed keeper.

              I dont know that Stanton is actually that bad at 46 in this league since it is OBP. In an AVG league he'd certainly be a drop.

              No one has mentioned it yet but I think Greinke might be a guy whose name is bigger than his value. So if you are looking to make a trade I'd explore that path as well.

              If I had to drop today it would be Alonso for me, but he's certainly not a bad option as a 10th keeper at $5.

              Also I'd keep Trout. Go for the win, you have the team to do it.

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              • #8
                After looking around a bit, I don't think it's quite as dire as I thought. I haven't checked every team but here are a couple for comparison:

                Muncy 9B, GTorres 5A, Bregman 6/opt, LCastillo 1/opt, Vlad Jr, VRobles, BRodgers
                Smoak 1/opt, Albies 5B, JRamirez 12/2020, Story 5/opt, Acuna 6A, Benintendi 6B, Betts 20/2020, Clevinger 1/opt, Syndergaard 12/2020, Senzel, KTucker
                Aguilar 7B, Moncada 6B, Profar 6B, CSeager 6/opt, Bader 6A, Meadows 6A, Osuna 7X
                CTaylor 4/opt, Gennett 3/opt, Nimmo 2B, Soto 5A, Brantley 13B, ERosario 2/opt, Buehler 2A, all of the good minor league pitchers (Keller, McKenzie, Puk, SSanchez, Sheffield, Soroka, Toussaint, Whitley)
                In the best of times, our days are numbered, anyway. And it would be a crime against Nature for any generation to take the world crisis so solemnly that it put off enjoying those things for which we were presumably designed in the first place, and which the gravest statesmen and the hoarsest politicians hope to make available to all men in the end: I mean the opportunity to do good work, to fall in love, to enjoy friends, to sit under trees, to read, to hit a ball and bounce the baby.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by mjl View Post
                  After looking around a bit, I don't think it's quite as dire as I thought. I haven't checked every team but here are a couple for comparison:

                  Muncy 9B, GTorres 5A, Bregman 6/opt, LCastillo 1/opt, Vlad Jr, VRobles, BRodgers
                  Smoak 1/opt, Albies 5B, JRamirez 12/2020, Story 5/opt, Acuna 6A, Benintendi 6B, Betts 20/2020, Clevinger 1/opt, Syndergaard 12/2020, Senzel, KTucker
                  Aguilar 7B, Moncada 6B, Profar 6B, CSeager 6/opt, Bader 6A, Meadows 6A, Osuna 7X
                  CTaylor 4/opt, Gennett 3/opt, Nimmo 2B, Soto 5A, Brantley 13B, ERosario 2/opt, Buehler 2A, all of the good minor league pitchers (Keller, McKenzie, Puk, SSanchez, Sheffield, Soroka, Toussaint, Whitley)
                  So when's the parade scheduled for the Betts/Acuna/JRam/Albies/Beni team?

                  Looks like you have the 2nd best keeper list, but goodness is that one team loaded.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Ken View Post
                    So when's the parade scheduled for the Betts/Acuna/JRam/Albies/Beni team?

                    Looks like you have the 2nd best keeper list, but goodness is that one team loaded.
                    Yeah, don't remind us (says the guy who (gulp) traded away Betts after his rookie year).


                    I don't think you can keep Stanton and Sale, so it's one of those two getting tossed back.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by revo View Post
                      I don't think you can keep Stanton and Sale, so it's one of those two getting tossed back.
                      Why is that?

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Ken View Post
                        Why is that?
                        Firstly, they're both fairly priced IMO. Second, if he kept both Sale & Stanton in addition to his other high-ticket items (Trout & Grienke), he'd go into the auction keeping $170, which would be the most I've ever recalled being kept in this league. FYI, the most $$ kept last season was $142, and the mean amount is usually in the $80s. Keeping that much in player salaries would severely limit his flexibility, IMO.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Ken View Post
                          So when's the parade scheduled for the Betts/Acuna/JRam/Albies/Beni team?

                          Looks like you have the 2nd best keeper list, but goodness is that one team loaded.
                          He had it in the off-season...Rick had to fight for it, but he pulled it out at the end. He's the odd on favorite again this year, if his guys stay healthy, we're all playing for 2nd place.
                          "Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake."
                          - Napoleon Bonaparte (1769-1821)

                          "Your shitty future continues to offend me."
                          -Warren Ellis

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by mjl View Post
                            Smoak 1/opt, Albies 5B, JRamirez 12/2020, Story 5/opt, Acuna 6A, Benintendi 6B, Betts 20/2020, Clevinger 1/opt, Syndergaard 12/2020, Senzel, KTucker
                            Wow - who's the amazing baseball genius with this keeper list heading into the season (and next)

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Ken View Post
                              So when's the parade scheduled for the Betts/Acuna/JRam/Albies/Beni team?

                              Looks like you have the 2nd best keeper list, but goodness is that one team loaded.
                              The parade & afterparty were a few months ago but we've reserved the same venue again just in case.

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