2018 HOF Ballot

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Thanks JJ for pretty much annihilating onejay's argument but I look forward to his response.

[onejayhawk]

Koufax ERA+, best to worst, full seasons
190 186 160 159 143 122 101 093

Robinson OPS+, best to worst, full seasons
154 152 149 139 137 135 117 112

Koufax ERA+ rank, top 10s, full seasons
1 1 2 3 4 5

Robinson OPS+ rank, top 10s, full seasons
2 3 4 8 9

Koufax Wins Above Replacement, top 10s
1 2 4 8

Robinson Wins Above Replacement, top 10s
1 1 2 2 8 10

the latter category reflects the fact that Robinson was an everyday player, often at second base (ranking in the top 5 defensively there 5 times). Koufax, of course, was one of the worst hitters of all time (.097 AVG)

huh, after review, if someone stuck to their guns that Koufax is clearly in purely for playing skill while Robinson clearly is not deserving on that front alone - I would almost think someone was being set in their ways from decades ago, unwilling to take a fresh look at the evidence

that is one heck of a tightrope to walk in placing the "in/out" peak line right in between them, when it's debatable which one even has the better peak case

either both are borderline as players - or neither one is

I rest my case. That is exactly what I was saying. Koufax has an edge, but not much.

J

[Ken]

I rest my case. That is exactly what I was saying. Koufax has an edge, but not much.

J

So again, why are we ignoring the historical impact?? The rules for first ballot are only on the field?? Where are these secret rules documented?

[onejayhawk]

So again, why are we ignoring the historical impact?? The rules for first ballot are only on the field?? Where are these secret rules documented?

We are not. we are separating historical impact from the more mundane.

J