2017 RJ Mock One Discussion Thread

[Ken]

This is 23.06

We had two 21.10s as well, but who is counting?

[DMT]

Not sure what the plan is with Edwards is, but he's a converted starter so I don't think they've ruled that out. Rondon lost his place due to ineffectiveness caused by injury. If he's healthy and effective, I expect he'll slide back in to the primary set-up role. But it's Maddon so I'd have just as much insight using a dart board.

[Hornsby]

Not sure what the plan is with Edwards is, but he's a converted starter so I don't think they've ruled that out. Rondon lost his place due to ineffectiveness caused by injury. If he's healthy and effective, I expect he'll slide back in to the primary set-up role. But it's Maddon so I'd have just as much insight using a dart board.

Interesting...everything I read has Edwards in the 'pen, but you follow the Cubs closer than I do.

[revo]

Are we doing a six or seven-man bench?

Seven.

[DMT]

Interesting...everything I read has Edwards in the 'pen, but you follow the Cubs closer than I do.

He'll be in the pen this season, but I don't think they're committed to keeping him there long-term. So I would figure they'd want some flexibility with his role rather than locking him in as the closer, especially with so many other options available (Rondon, Uehara, Strop). But like I said, with Maddon anything is possible.

[chancellor]

Ehh, I don't think the people running the projection system are unintelligent. Rather, the issue is the inability of any reasonable system to translate KBO data to MLB data.

A silly analogy -- You walk into a 2nd grade classroom and find yourself to be the smartest person in the room. Based on that information alone, please tell me how you will compare to the student body at MIT. Show your work

If there were no data, this might be a valid analogy. However, Thames has a significant body if minor league work combined with three years of sporadic MLB data to go on. Sure, you can believe Thames has become a near star player-which is what Steamers numbers project, or, you can take the rational data based approach and recognize he's a AAAA or fringe major leaguer who went to a league that's high-A to AA quality and performed as expected.

[Ken]

or, you can take the rational data based approach and recognize he's a AAAA or fringe major leaguer who went to a league that's high-A to AA quality and performed as expected.

Just to be clear that's what I've been saying about Thames all along, I'm not a believer in Thames, so you won't find me disagreeing.

The steamer issue is that they have a KBO->MLB translation model. They have to because players come to the MLB from KBO without any other data points. Unfortunately that model is highly variable and unreliable.

[chancellor]

The steamer issue is that they have a KBO->MLB translation model. They have to because players come to the MLB from KBO without any other data points. Unfortunately that model is highly variable and unreliable.

And my issue is when you know you have an unreliable model, look for data that either validates or contradicts the model. All Thames past data indicates the numbers are a fantasy.

[madducks]

Going to be offline for a few hours. Sent my pick via PM to Kawaise.

[joncarlos]

Did Hammer time out? Are we all OK here? Is this thing on?

[madducks]

Did Hammer time out? Are we all OK here? Is this thing on?

We are limping to the finish line.

[madducks]

Interesting that Steamer projects Miller to get more saves than Allen (20-18).

Manager Terry Francona confirmed Cody Allen will close for the Indians in 2017.
"Cody is our closer," said Francona on Saturday, ending the debate once and for all. Just as he did last season, Allen will work the ninth inning with stud left-hander Andrew Miller serving as a jack-of-all trades. Allen and Miller were lights out in the playoffs last fall, combining for a 0.82 ERA over 33 innings of work. There's no reason to believe Cleveland's late-inning duo will be any less dominant in 2017.
(Source: indians.mlb.com via Rotoworld)

[kawaise]

After Miller got traded to Cleveland the guy who had Allen cut him. Allen passed through waivers ($21 salary). I picked him up the next week for $5. Smiling.

[revo]

special thanks to Kawaise and Madducks for keeping things rolling when I was away

[kawaise]

And thanks to you, revo, for setting this up and getting the ball rolling on this. Thanks for the opportunity - it was a valuable experience.