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  • My Minnesota baseball trip (30th MLB stadium, finally!)

    Over the past few days, I took another baseball trip to Minnesota. Purpose was twofold: 1) see a MLB game at Target Field, the only current MLB stadium I hadnt been to, and 2) see my college team (U of MD) compete in the Big 10 baseball tournament (also at Target Field).

    Thursday May 21-Sunday May 24 - Big 10 Tournament
    Tournament started Wednesday, but I got there Thursday. Maryland was the #4 seed and coming in was on the bubble for the NCAA tournament, so they needed to do well there to make it. We beat Michigan State 2-1, another bubble team, on Wednesday, getting the usual gem from Mike Shawaryn, who projects maybe as a late 1st-rounder in the 2016 draft. On Thursday, they played Illinois, who had a pending 27-game win streak. Maryland's problem all year has been getting good starts from their other SPs but Brian Shaffer pitched very well and we ended the Illini's streak, 2-1. We then had Friday off before playing Indiana on Saturday who had swept us 3 straight at home earlier. We won 4-2 to get a spot in the championship game Sunday against Michigan. The title game was scheduled for 1 PM so that's when I got there, only to find out that they had moved the game to 9 AM because of fears about the weather, so it was over before I got there. Michigan won 4-3. But we did well enough to get an NCAA tourney bid. I wont say a lot more about this tournament other than the teams that lost did so because of errors, including MD in the title game, as only 1 of the runs was earned. Yeah, I know, that's usually the case but was even more so in this tournament. Among notable 2015 draftee prospects in the tournament were RP/SP Tyler Jay (potential #1 overall pick) and SP Kevin Duchene for Illinois, RP/2B Jacob Cronenworth for Michigan, whose got saves in all 4 games, OF Cam Gibson (Kirk's son) for Michigan State, SP Blake Hickman for Iowa, and draft-eligible soph. 2B Brandon Lowe and RP Alex Robinson for Maryland. Also, in addition to Shawaryn, OF Ryan Boldt of Nebraska and Ryan Lakins of Ohio State for next year's draft.

    Monday May 25 - Twins vs. Boston
    The forecast called for rain all week so I was beginning to think this was going to be like when I was here last year when there was no telling when they would get the game(s) in. But the weather cooperated this time and it actually got partly sunny. Wasnt much of a game, as they pounded my roto starter Joe Kelly for 7 runs in 1.7 innings, and the Twins won 7-2 w no scoring after the 3rd inning. Suddenly attractive roto SP Ricky Nolasco won his 5th straight start and the surprising Twins continued to roll (3rd best rcd in AL now). Kelly threw 94mph and only walked 1 but couldnt put away anybody. Nolasco threw 91-92.

    The stadium was nice, as are all the new stadiums. They constructed it to blend in w the downtown Minneapolis architecture, which has a lot of yellowish buildings. That's understandable, except that I dont think the yellow bldgs are particularly attractive. Even the dugouts are Minneapolis drab yellow. But it has about the best scoreboards I've ever seen. One scoreboard has the current hitter w both season stats and in-game stats, as well as not only what he did in his prior ABs but also shows where he hit the ball. Another scoreboard has an in-game box score. And the out-of-town scoreboard displays not the SP's uniform number, which virtually no fan knows, but the SP's name instead. And it displays not only the inning but the current runners on base and the outs. My ticket was a little pricey, $32 for high upper deck behind home plate. Bleacher seats were $22. The food prices were about standard for today's MLB. I had a pulled turkey sandwich for $7.50 and a bottled Pepsi for $5. I had a brat and a coke during the tournament for $12.50. Tix for the tournament were only $7 for a student ID. Announced attendance for the Twins was 29000+.

    I thought about driving there and back (1250 mi 1-way), which would have been cheaper, but decided to fly at the last minute. I decided to try to save money by not renting a car for a change. My hotel (Days Inn) had a shuttle to from the airport so I thought I'd see if they'd shuttle me back and forth for the entire 5 days I was there. I had planned to try using a Zip car, which I've never tried before, to get from the airport to downtown where the stadium was, as they had a facilities both at the airport and near the stadium. This would have $7-10 each way. so maybe $70-100 all told. It turns out that there as a subway (light rail) that went from the airport rt to the stadium. This was only $1.75 1-way, which I think is a great price to travel about 10 miles.

    However, this was different from every other subway I've ever been on in that there were no machines to read your fare card when you entered an exited the stations. I bought a fare card the 1st time and looked around for someone to present the card to and there was noone. I felt foolish buying a fare card each time if noone is ever going to collect it. I began to think that there might be some special rule where the subway is free if you're going to and from the airport, so I didnt buy a fare card the next 3-4 times or so. On about the 6th ride, some police officers entered the subway cars and asked to see peoples' fare cards. I told them I didnt buy one because noone ever collected it, how non-sensical I thought this "lack" a of procedural system was and that I would gladly pay if they tell me who I'm supposed to present the proof of payment to. They said that there isnt anyone to present the card to but that I'm supposed to buy the card anyway. I bought a card each time thereafter and sometimes there were police to check cards and sometimes there werent. Wouldnt police time be better spent chasing real criminals and having the city install machines that dont allow entry or exit unless you have the proper fare, like any other sensible subway system?

    Another nice thing about the subway cars is that they have special places to hold bikes, and there were many riders that took their bikes onto the subway. I've never seen this on any other subway system, altho I'm sure there must be others that have it. This is an important feature in Minneapolis as there are bicyclists everywhere.

    I learned that, in addition to Target Field, which is only about 5 years old, just about all of the Twin Cities' sports facilities are almost brand new or soon will be. They are building a new Vikings stadium on the site of where the old Metrodome used to be. Supposed to be ready for the 2016 season. They'll play at U of Minnesota field until then. They also have a new hockey arena, which is separate from their basketball arena, Target Center, which I think is only about 10-15 years old. I dont know of any other cities that have separate facilities for major league basketball and hockey, altho perhaps there are some. Any they also have a brand new park for their minor league team, the St Paul Saints, which just opened while I was there. For the Minnesota taxpayers' sake, I hope these werent all publicly funded!

    Also, I found the Minneapolis people to be about the nicest I've seen in any major US city. The hotel people were nice too and they did shuttle me back and forth to the airport the whole time w/o hassling me at all. And it was about the best Days Inn I ever stayed at. Cheap too, about $45 per night plus tax. I may stay there again if I ever go back to the Twin Cities.

    Didnt do anything else but watch baseball, read and watch TV but all in all a fun trip. So I now finally can claim all 30 stadiums! At least until the new one in Atlanta goes up in 2017.

    Grade for Stadium: B
    Grade for Light Rail procedures: F
    Grade for Light Rail prices: A

  • #2
    Congratulations and thanks for posting. I've only been to 1/3 of the stadiums.

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    • #3
      Congrats! I gave up trying to stay up-to-date, now I'm just hoping to eventually see a home game for every team.
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      • #4
        awesome. I'm jealous. :envy:
        It certainly feels that way. But I'm distrustful of that feeling and am curious about evidence.

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        • #5
          Glad to hear that you enjoyed yourself...the Light Rail is an interesting deal indeed. They decided that it was more cost efficient to use the honor system, than to employ a person to monitor every train. They also didn't want to make it look like you needed to break into a prison to get on the train...ascetics I guess. But it's a huge success, even though it's still fairly limited in it's scope, they want to expand, but it's VERY expensive to do. Adding a westbound line would be roughly 2 Billion at this point.

          As far as the facilities are concerned, yes, all are fairly new, or about to be renovated (Target Center where the Wolves play), and the Exel Energy center, or the "X" is where the Wild NHL team plays in St. Paul...great arena. And yes, the dopey taxpayers here are on the hook for all of the stadiums. Only Williams Arena where the Gophers play hoops is old...and they'll never replace it in my lifetime, too much nostalgia for the Alums. Over 1 billion and counting for the Vikings new stadium...
          "Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake."
          - Napoleon Bonaparte (1769-1821)

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          • #6
            so now that you are done... give us a rating on all 30 stadiums!
            I'm not expecting to grow flowers in the desert...

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            • #7
              " I dont know of any other cities that have separate facilities for major league basketball and hockey"

              they were mostly together til the 1990s, not quite as much now

              congrats
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              RP Bednar 10, Bender 10, Graterol 2
              C Stallings 2, Casali 1
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              • #8
                Originally posted by Hornsby View Post
                Glad to hear that you enjoyed yourself...the Light Rail is an interesting deal indeed. They decided that it was more cost efficient to use the honor system, than to employ a person to monitor every train. They also didn't want to make it look like you needed to break into a prison to get on the train...ascetics I guess.
                Cost efficient? How much can it cost to put in machine "turnstiles" at each station to read your card and disallow entry or exit unless you have the proper fare? Every subway system I've ever been on in the US and other countries have these. Compared to the cost of the rest of the system, this should be an almost incidental cost. If they have enough money to finance all these new sports facilities, they definitely should have enough to do that (or maybe that's why they dont have the money ). And I've never heard anyone complain that it's prison-like to use fare card reading machines. The honor system? They dont even use that in Japan which is one of the few places I know of where that might actually work. And, like I said, police resources would be much better utilized elsewhere. Couldnt they at least create some special 'fare police' so they dont have to use the regular police force?

                That said, I like the system. Just think that that part of it is crazy and that they're losing a lot of revenue that they should be getting.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by rhd View Post
                  Cost efficient? How much can it cost to put in machine "turnstiles" at each station to read your card and disallow entry or exit unless you have the proper fare? Every subway system I've ever been on in the US and other countries have these. Compared to the cost of the rest of the system, this should be an almost incidental cost. If they have enough money to finance all these new sports facilities, they definitely should have enough to do that (or maybe that's why they dont have the money ). And I've never heard anyone complain that it's prison-like to use fare card reading machines. The honor system? They dont even use that in Japan which is one of the few places I know of where that might actually work. And, like I said, police resources would be much better utilized elsewhere. Couldnt they at least create some special 'fare police' so they dont have to use the regular police force?

                  That said, I like the system. Just think that that part of it is crazy and that they're losing a lot of revenue that they should be getting.
                  I think that their studies show otherwise, and that putting in gates and cages at the stops wouldn't work at all for Minnesota. It's actually one of the least subsidized LRT systems in the country, behind only Denver San Diego, and Portland. And fares actually cover 38% of the costs in Minnesota. Only Denver and San Diego did better...and Seattle only covers 5% of the costs from passengers.

                  So while it looks like it's a give-away, it's actually a pretty efficient system.

                  "Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake."
                  - Napoleon Bonaparte (1769-1821)

                  "Your shitty future continues to offend me."
                  -Warren Ellis

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by heyelander View Post
                    so now that you are done... give us a rating on all 30 stadiums!
                    OK, my quickie stadium ratings. All the new parks are nice so dont let the fact that some of these are ranked lower than others dissuade you at all. Even parks ranked at the bottom are not "bad", just not as nice as the others. There used to be some bad MLB parks (1 is mentioned below), but not really anymore.

                    Tier #1
                    1) Dodger Stadium, Los Angeles
                    - Surprise! Yeah, it's rather old but it looks well-maintained and it's beautiful. Will never forget the first time I went there and saw blooming plants (in May) lining the ramp walking up to get in. I like that the outfield side of it is open. I think it's neat that it's dug into the top of a hill overlooking the city (never have known why they call it Chavez Ravine) and that on one side you enter at the top and walk down. And Nancy Bea's organ just adds to the attractiveness of the experience.

                    Tier #2
                    2) Camden Yards, Baltimore
                    - These next 3 could be in any order but I'll give the edge to OPCY because of the warehouse. I remember seeing the site when they were building it and I thought "that space looks much too small to put a stadium". It's the centerpiece of a renovated downtown Baltimore area.
                    3) PNC Park, Pittsburgh - Gorgeous park. The yellow bridges over the Ohio (Allegheny?) River and the Pittsburgh skyline in the background make for a classic scenic view.
                    4) AT&T Park, San Fran. - Another gorgeous park. The giant Coke bottle sculpture gives it an art deco look. Also some great food choices. The fact that it's ALWAYS chilly at night there, even in the middle of summer, detracts a little from the pleasantness of the experience. Make sure you purchase your ticket ahead of time and be prepared to pay.

                    Tier #3
                    5) CitiField, NYC (Mets' stadium)
                    - It looks like they tried to recapture the appeal of Ebbetts Field and the other early art deco stadiums and I think they did a good job. Home plate of old Shea Stadium is marked in the parking lot. Be prepared to pay for pricey tickets.
                    6) Kauffman Stadium, KC - Another older park but I've always thought this field was beautiful. The fountains beyond the outfield are a nice touch. Plenty of parking and very convenient to major highways.

                    Tier #4 (most of these are modern retro parks that almost could be in any order)
                    7) Progressive Field (is it still called that?), Cleveland - Nice-looking park but I went the year it opened, 1995, and at that time it was part of a very small upscale island of revitalization in a sea of dilapidated downtown decay. Probably the downtown renewal has made more gains since then.
                    8) Coors Field, Denver - Another nice modern, "retro" stadium.
                    9) Petco Park, San Diego - A nice park in the downtown of a nice city. It seems they tried to copy the effect of Camden Yards' warehouse w the Western Supply building beyond left field but it's not quite the same. When I first went there, it looked very empty beyond the outfield but when I went back the view looked nicer. I remember that I thought the ushers were nice because they smiled and said some nice words as the fans were exiting the stadium.
                    10) "New" Busch Stadium, St. Louis - Another new downtown stadium, not far from the beautiful Gateway Arch.
                    11) Great American Ballpark, Cincinnati - Nice view of the old suspension bridge across the Ohio River beyond the OF.
                    12) Citizens Bank Ballpark, Philadelphia - This is in an area where the other Philly sports facilities are located. There are parking lots, but I parked rt on the street for free not far away.
                    13) Comerica Park, Detroit - They really went for it big time w the tiger motif in this park, as there are tigers everywhere. In a vibrant section of downtown but not far from a decayed part of the city w a lot of lower class houses and vacant lots.
                    14) The Ballpark at Arlington, TX - Rt across from the Cowboys Stadium. Probably has the most parking of any sports facility I've ever seen and you can end up parking a looong way from the stadium. Not in a vibrant downtown area but very convenient to major highways.
                    15) Target Field, Minneapolis - Nice park in a nice city. Subway goes rt to the main gate. The outfield is enclosed, which I think detracts a bit from the aesthetics. Like I said, about the best scoreboards I've ever seen. But I'm not a fan of the "Minneapolis drab yellow" color scheme.
                    16) Turner Field, Atlanta - I was shocked when I heard that they're abandoning this nice and still relatively new park. Near some lower middle class neighborhoods that I think some people shy away from but I parked there and didnt get the impression these were 'bad' neighborhoods.
                    17) Nationals' Park, Washington, DC - Pretty much a garden-variety modern retro park. In a minor commercial area of town convenient to subways.
                    18) Angels Stadium (is that what it's called now?), Anaheim - Altho an older facility, this actually is a very attractive park, and I would rank it much higher if they made one little change. I like the rock formation and the water beyond centerfield, but the artificial turf around it ruins it. Since they went to the expense and trouble to create this, how much extra would it be to install natural grass around it?
                    19) Safeco Field, Seattle - IMO, baseball should be played outdoors on natural grass. The retractable domes try to still achieve this while providing some protection from the weather but most of them fall short. Safeco comes the closest to having that "outside" feel when the roof is open. So, I could have ranked it higher. A BIG improvement over the horrendous Kingdome, which it is near the site of.

                    Tier #5
                    20) Fenway Park, Boston
                    - One of the 2 remaining really old parks. It seemed to be reasonably well maintained when I was there. Hard to find free parking on the street. The historical nature of the stadium is nice (Babe Ruth played there!) but I think the newer parks are nicer. Make sure you reserve your seat weeks, if not months, ahead of time.
                    21) Wrigley Field, Chicago (Cubs) - The other really old stadium. People complain about the smells, but I didnt notice anything too much out of the ordinary when I was there. I guess it will look nicer after the renovations are done. Be prepared to pay a lot to park as free parking on the street seems non-existent. Singing "Take Me Out to the Ballgame" is a nice tradition, but I heard that some want to change it to a recording of Harry Carey leading the song instead of having celebrity songleaders.

                    Tier #6 (the other retractable domes)
                    22) Minute Maid Park, Houston - I was pleasantly surprised how nice this stadium is. Yet it doesnt have an outside feel w the roof open. The train above the left field stands is an interesting touch but I think the hill and flagpole in centerfield are very dumb.
                    23) Miller Park, Milwaukee - This is the only retractable dome that I havent seen w the roof open, but it doesnt look it would have an outside feel.
                    24) Chase Field, Phoenix - Even more so than the other retractable domes, w the roof open you still feel like you are inside a building. It also seemed very dark even in the middle of the day w the roof open.
                    25) Marlins Stadium, Miami - My impression of this facility was that it is big (huge) and unattractive. Reminded me of the Cowboys' stadium. Well, at least it's new. The inside is nice and the Clevelander restaurant is interesting (live body painting of topless girls).

                    Tier #7
                    26) O.co Coliseum. Oakland
                    - This used to be a very attractive park before they enclosed it for football, which probably wont be played there much longer now. Plenty of parking and convenient access to a major highway. The surrounding neighborhood seems like a depressed commercial area.
                    27) "New" Yankee Stadium, NYC -They built this to be a copy of old Yankee Stadium but it doesnt have the history and just looks like a mass of concrete and steel. At least it still has Monuments Park. Unless you park pretty far away, be prepared to pay a lot to park. And the tix are pretty pricey, too.
                    28) US Cellular Field, Chicago (WhiteSox) - A garden-variety, non-retro park. I didnt see anything special about this park but at least it's open and has natural grass. This is one of the few parks where the surrounding area made me feel a little antsy, altho I didnt have any trouble. I asked a fan there why the Cubs are so much more popular than the Sox and he said that for some reason the yuppies adopted the Cubs as their team which caused a lot of pubs, restaurants and other establishments to spring up around Wrigley. This did not happen around "the Cell" and there are practically no attractive meeting places near the park.

                    Tier #8
                    29) Tropicana Field, St Petersburg, FL
                    - I was expecting the worst when I visited this park but it wasnt bad at all. It still gets a low ranking because it's a dome w artificial turf, and not exactly attractive either. The surrounding area is fine. I was expecting big traffic delays coming across from Tampa but I went an hour early and had no problems at all. Of course, the inconvenient access is still a big problem.
                    30) Rogers Centre (Skydome), Toronto - An engineering marvel for its time but this place is unattractive inside and out. It looks like a blimp hangar. And it has artificial turf. Toronto is a very nice city, tho.

                    Your comments?
                    Last edited by rhd; 05-28-2015, 12:40 AM.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Hornsby View Post
                      I think that their studies show otherwise, and that putting in gates and cages at the stops wouldn't work at all for Minnesota. It's actually one of the least subsidized LRT systems in the country, behind only Denver San Diego, and Portland. And fares actually cover 38% of the costs in Minnesota. Only Denver and San Diego did better...and Seattle only covers 5% of the costs from passengers.

                      So while it looks like it's a give-away, it's actually a pretty efficient system.

                      https://www.minnpost.com/cityscape/2...-seems-bargain
                      I read this article. It's great that it's efficient compared to other transportation systems. And I'm in favor of urban light rail, subways, commuter trains, whatever you call them, if people are going to use them. That doesnt contradict my point, which is the city probably is losing significant revenue. Getting that lost revenue would make the per passenger subsidy even lower. The cost of putting in fare card readers and turnstiles probably would be made up by the extra revenue w/i a short period of time, e.g. 1-2 years. And that would free up the city police for more important law enforcement activities. Even if Minneapolis citizens happen to be much more honest than people in most US cities, at the very least create a "fare police" force so the city cops dont have to police this. That would have the additional benefit of creating more jobs.

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                      • #12
                        Yay, Dodger Stadium!

                        I've been to maybe a dozen parks and none have matched the feel of Dodger Stadium for me. AT&T and Safeco were both aesthetically pleasing but didn't have as much charm/history. The weirdest for me was Minute Maid - the ambient noise bouncing off the dome creeped me out.

                        Very impressive that you've made it to all 30 - were they all for fun or did work take you never some of the cities?

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by overkill94 View Post
                          Yay, Dodger Stadium!

                          I've been to maybe a dozen parks and none have matched the feel of Dodger Stadium for me. AT&T and Safeco were both aesthetically pleasing but didn't have as much charm/history. The weirdest for me was Minute Maid - the ambient noise bouncing off the dome creeped me out.

                          Very impressive that you've made it to all 30 - were they all for fun or did work take you never some of the cities?
                          In my former job, I traveled around the country and that enabled me to see many of these parks. If not for that, I probably wouldnt have seen nearly all 30 parks. So I was already at 24 parks 3 years ago, so the past 3 years I've taken a small baseball vacation each year to see the other 6. If you remember my post from last year, I would have accomplished this last year but several days of rain prevented me from seeing the Twins park. When I found out that the Big 10 tournament was going to be in Minneapolis this year and that the Twins were going to play a home game rt after the tournament, that presented me w an irresistible chance to see a game at Target Field. Not only have I seen a game at every MLB park, I have seen a regular season MLB game at every park (I've also seen minor league games, exhibitions and college games at MLB parks). Bucket list item checked off! I really dont know but I imagine that no more than a few thousand people (other than MLB team employees, sportswriters or other baseball-related professionals) can claim a MLB game at all 30 current MLB parks at any one time.

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                          • #14
                            I thought this story sounded familiar

                            My job has taken me all over the country but it's usually only for one night so it's hard to make it to many baseball games. Regardless, I've now been to the following:

                            Dodger Stadium (duh)
                            Angel Stadium
                            AT&T Park
                            Safeco Field
                            Coors Field
                            Globe Life Park (Rangers)
                            Kauffman Stadium
                            Minute Maid Park
                            O.co Coliseum
                            Wrigley Field

                            It's kind sad that I haven't made it to a game at Petco or Chase Field, but those could be remedied easily. I'll have to make some pilgrimages of my own to match the almighty rhd!

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by rhd View Post
                              I read this article. It's great that it's efficient compared to other transportation systems. And I'm in favor of urban light rail, subways, commuter trains, whatever you call them, if people are going to use them. That doesnt contradict my point, which is the city probably is losing significant revenue. Getting that lost revenue would make the per passenger subsidy even lower. The cost of putting in fare card readers and turnstiles probably would be made up by the extra revenue w/i a short period of time, e.g. 1-2 years. And that would free up the city police for more important law enforcement activities. Even if Minneapolis citizens happen to be much more honest than people in most US cities, at the very least create a "fare police" force so the city cops dont have to police this. That would have the additional benefit of creating more jobs.
                              Just to correct you, the Metro Transit police are a a force of their own, separate from Minneapolis PD, St. Paul PD, and surrounding suburbs that the light rail passes through. All they do is to deal with issues on the transit system, buses and trains, so it's not a drain on the local departments at all, they only interact with the Transit PD when there's something of a violent nature that the Transit police need help on.

                              "Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake."
                              - Napoleon Bonaparte (1769-1821)

                              "Your shitty future continues to offend me."
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