Which current mlb players are going to the Baseball Hall of Fame?

[minnehan]

Just wondering what thoughts are regarding current (or 2011 retirees) players for making it to Cooperstown?

Ivan Rodiguez?
Chipper Jones?
Derek Jeter?
Albert Pujols
Marino Rivera
Alex Rodiguez
Jim Thome??

Who else am I over looking?

Maybe Votto and King Felix if they keep producing where they are now?

And I assume Manny has just blown his chance?

minnehan

[chancellor]

Roy Halladay, IMO, will certainly make it.

[revo]

Way too early to even include Votto and Felix in this discussion. The rest of your list is definitely HOF worthy.

Ichiro and Vlad Guerreo are locks. Scott Rolen & Todd Helton are borderline. Roy Halladay will be close to a lock with another three or so of his typical seasons.

I think a few solid vets on the downside fall just short of being HOF-worthy, like Posada, C. Carpenter, Berkman, Abreu & Beltran.

A few other vets can get there with 5+ more quality seasons, like Dunn, Crawford, Sabathia, Teixeira & Mauer.

[DJBeasties]

Pedro if he decides to pitch again this year
Trevor Hoffman

[Judge Jude]

The current active career Wins leaders, per bb-ref

Wakefield 193
Halladay 170
THudson 167
LHernandez 166
Lowe 158
Sabathia 157
Colon 153
Vazquez 152
Oswalt 151
Buehrle 149

One of only 2 or 3 years ever, I think, with baseball being played and no 200-W pitchers around.

The No. 4 guy is someone who hasn't been drafted in some NL-only leagues like mine for many years.

Arthur Rhodes is the 8th-winningest active lefty, with 84 W

[Blue&White]

And I assume Manny has just blown his chance?

Remains to be seen, I think. If Clemens, Palmiero and Bonds get in, then how can you rule out Manny? Manny has only been caught with masking agents (I think even this time they were not saying PEDs). Others have been caught pretty much red-handed. If they get in, Manny should get in.

Personally, if I had a vote I wouldn't vote for anyone who was caught with any PEDs. I don't think that's going to happen, though.

Oh, if you want to talk about players who don't really have a full resume like Votto and Felix, then I'd throw in Ryan Howard as well. He's not there yet, but he's as much there as Votto is. You can throw Ryan Braun in there too. But, I think it's just way too early to be talking about Cooperstown for a lot of these guys. Let's see how they sustain over time.

And almost forgot: I'd throw Lincecum in there too. He is definitely off to a HoF career.

[onejayhawk]

Even absent the PED issue, Manny was no shoe in. Bonds and Clemons were no bainers, but Manny was just an A-hole slugger, playing parks that pad his stats, with minimal defensive value. I think there is little doubt he would have made it, but with some grumbling. So, the issue becomes how big a handicap do you make the PEDs, rather than should they be a bar.

J

[Judge Jude]

Right, Manny Ramirez is one of the best hitters in baseball history. There is no Hall small enough that he doesn't get in - if on-field performance is the only requirement.

He finished in the top 10 in the AL in OPS+ - adjusting for park and the league's hitting environment - for 12 consecutive seasons. Starting in 1999, he finished 1 2 3 2 2 4 6 2, in order.

He can safely be docked a significant amount for his defense/DHing, but that just moves from the highest reaches to the next-highest reaches.

[Silentmist]

Do we even know what he tested positive for this time?

[wannabegriffey]

Do we even know what he tested positive for this time?

Does it really matter?

He is a cheater.

[Silentmist]

Does it really matter?

He is a cheater.

I thought these new suspension guide lines included any type of drug. So if he was smoking pot, then yeah, I'd say it makes a difference.

[Judge Jude]

Not sure if that's true, but guessing that this positive test is for something like pot is extraordinarily naive, I would suggest.

[wannabegriffey]

I thought these new suspension guide lines included any type of drug. So if he was smoking pot, then yeah, I'd say it makes a difference.

Actually, it doesn't matter what he was caught with in his blood. The idiot already has at least twice, to public knowledge, been caught cheating.

[amcg]

Actually, it doesn't matter what he was caught with in his blood. The idiot already has at least twice, to public knowledge, been caught cheating.

Are you saying that no player who cheated should be in the Hall?

[Silentmist]

Actually, it doesn't matter what he was caught with in his blood. The idiot already has at least twice, to public knowledge, been caught cheating.

They've tested him positive for a fertility drug. I'm not saying he isn't cheating, but you can't discount what he's done. I personally believe Mantle had more steroids injected in to his body then Bonds and Canseco combined, how else did he play through so many injuries? Once again, not that it can be proved. The first KNOWN steroid use in athletics was in 1954, right in the middle of when Mantle's era began.

We don't want to believe those sorts of players are the bad guys right? How about Aaron? Amphetamine era? But once again, they didn't ban you for it, so you'll gladly choose to be naive about the subject. If we want to go really far back, the first steroids were rumored to be used by the Nazi's in the 30's. I'd even believe HGH has been around a lot longer than people wish to believe as well (developed in 1981).

I'd also like to see some scientific testing done on steroids helping someone actually hit a baseball. It sure didn't help Alex Sanchez. Guys like Manny and Bonds didn't gain the ability to sit back and wait on a change up left up in the zone by sticking a needle in their ass. All the writers and traditionalist need to get over it and accept drugs as a part of the sport.

If it is that easy, why aren't you cranking out 800 HR by juicing?

As for players that cheat, you're damn right Pete Rose, Whitey Ford, and Gaylord Perry belong in the Hall.