2K15 NL Only Keepers

[BuckyBuckner]

It's that time again to try to figure out what to do with my team. It's a 12 team 5x5 (normal cats with K/IP) NL only, $265 budget. We draft 10 pitchers but the hitter positions are the normal. We can keep 12, there is no minimum. A = goes into second year, B = option year, F = can be kept just this year only. What do you guys think?

Jordan Pacheco 1A
Yasmani Grandal 9A
Brayan Pena 2A
Nolan Arenado 5B
Justin Turner 10F
Javier Baez 10A
Cliff Pennington 1A
Jhonny Peralta 14A
Charlie Blackmon 3A
Carl Crawford 20A
Juan Lagares 7A
Alex Torres 5A
Cole Hamels 23A
Cory Luebke 1A
Dan Haren 6A
John Axford 10F
Neil Ramirez 10F
Odrisamer Despaigne 10F
Tanner Roark 5A
Tim Lincecum 10A
Trevor Rosenthal 14B

[Sharky]

Jordan Pacheco 1A Nah
Yasmani Grandal 9A Yes
Brayan Pena 2A Borderline
Nolan Arenado 5B Yes. Extend to 10 not 15.
Justin Turner 10F No
Javier Baez 10A Try to trade him.
Cliff Pennington 1A Not really a fan even at 1
Jhonny Peralta 14A Keep
Charlie Blackmon 3A Keep keep keep
Carl Crawford 20A Keep
Juan Lagares 7A Keep
Alex Torres 5A No
Cole Hamels 23A Keep unless trade to AL kills you
Cory Luebke 1A Keep given k/9
Dan Haren 6A Meh. Probably drop but in that park could be ok.
John Axford 10F drop
Neil Ramirez 10F drop at that price
Odrisamer Despaigne 10F drop
Tanner Roark 5A love him but drop given price unless role changes before auction
Tim Lincecum 10A drop
Trevor Rosenthal 14B keep don't extend

[joncarlos]

Jordan Pacheco 1A Nah
Yasmani Grandal 9A Yes
Brayan Pena 2A Borderline
Nolan Arenado 5B Yes. Extend to 10 not 15.
Justin Turner 10F No
Javier Baez 10A Try to trade him.
Cliff Pennington 1A Not really a fan even at 1
Jhonny Peralta 14A Keep
Charlie Blackmon 3A Keep keep keep
Carl Crawford 20A Keep
Juan Lagares 7A Keep
Alex Torres 5A No
Cole Hamels 23A Keep unless trade to AL kills you
Cory Luebke 1A Keep given k/9
Dan Haren 6A Meh. Probably drop but in that park could be ok.
John Axford 10F drop
Neil Ramirez 10F drop at that price
Odrisamer Despaigne 10F drop
Tanner Roark 5A love him but drop given price unless role changes before auction
Tim Lincecum 10A drop
Trevor Rosenthal 14B keep don't extend

Mostly agree but wouldn't keep Luebke. Given K/9 I'd rather have a good MR than a 2-time TJ guy with a million guys competing for his rotation spot. I would keep Haren though. If he pitches I think he does well. And I am definitely keeping Roark even if he's the 6th starter. I just think there's too much upside.

[james33]

Jordan Pacheco 1A Dump
Yasmani Grandal 9A Keep
Brayan Pena 2A Dump. You might end up buying him back at $2 if you like him.
Nolan Arenado 5B Extend to 15.
Justin Turner 10F Dump
Javier Baez 10A Try to trade him. <-- Good idea
Cliff Pennington 1A Dump
Jhonny Peralta 14A Keep
Charlie Blackmon 3A Keep
Carl Crawford 20A Dump
Juan Lagares 7A Keep
Alex Torres 5A Dump
Cole Hamels 23A Keep
Cory Luebke 1A Dump
Dan Haren 6A Dump
John Axford 10F Dump
Neil Ramirez 10F Dump
Odrisamer Despaigne 10F Dump
Tanner Roark 5A Keep. What are the odds that all 5 Nats starters stay healthy? He'll get plenty of starts. Plus future value.
Tim Lincecum 10A Dump.
Trevor Rosenthal 14B keep but don't extend closers unless they are super-elite. He's not.

[BuckyBuckner]

I had a pretty tough off season, I lost Eovaldi, Medlen and Taveras.

I have been a fan of Luebke and at a buck you can't do much more and there is good upside.

I would be screwed if Hamels gets traded to the AL but I feel like I still need to keep him.

JC is probably right that Haren is a keeper. He's not exciting or sexy but he'll earn $6.

I think I have to keep Roark, too much skill to not keep.

I am having a hard time deciding on the extension for Arenado. I am a huge fan but $15 does eat into his profit.

Anyone else have any thoughts?

[BubbaJack]

Jordan Pacheco 1A nope
Yasmani Grandal 9A should be worth it
Brayan Pena 2A nope
Nolan Arenado 5B would extend to 15, may be only worth 17 or 18 this year but I think will double value by 3rd yr
Justin Turner 10F nope
Javier Baez 10A Everyone says trade but what are you going to get, trade value seems to be low, keep and hope he turns into something good. it he has a good first half that may be the time to say goodbye.
Cliff Pennington 1A no
Jhonny Peralta 14A shoud be worth a few bucks more than this
Charlie Blackmon 3A This is a guy whose trade value will never be more than this and at this price he'd be the guy I'd look to deal as your keepers seem weak for a 12 keeper league.
Carl Crawford 20A Should show a profit if he can stay healthy
Juan Lagares 7A I think he will double this investment
Alex Torres 5A no
Cole Hamels 23A You've acknowledged you lose him if he goes to AL. Is he worth 23 units in 4 months? I'd be trying to pair him with blackmon and get a great return. If not tradeable I'd probably throw him back and keep the bucks even though u have him below value.
Cory Luebke 1A two TJ surgery's how much more than this would he go for if u throw him back? You never know what u might get with this open spot in the auction.
Dan Haren 6A could be worth twice this could be worth half or worse if heart isn't in it. any chance of moving him?
John Axford 10F no way
Neil Ramirez 10F not at this price
Odrisamer Despaigne 10F no thanks
Tanner Roark 5A I wouldn't he may drop to dollar days if you really like him with the big 5 in front
Tim Lincecum 10A no sir
Trevor Rosenthal 14B Risky but have to keep him at that price

[BigJonEmpire]

Jordan Pacheco 1A - a utility option for the dbacks, pass
Yasmani Grandal 9A - I don't think he's the everyday starter but he should play enough to earn his salary, keep
Brayan Pena 2A - pass, he's okay but you won't have to beat this price to get him back
Nolan Arenado 5B - keep and extend, I think he has the ability to become a 20-25 dollar player n the next year or two, 15c2017 works
Justin Turner 10F - pass, he won't likely hit like that again
Javier Baez 10A - keep, you could still probably get a lot for him but I'd give him a year to adjust
Cliff Pennington 1A - pass, Ahmed and Lamb will eat into his at-bats if Hill is healthy and Tomas is at third.
Jhonny Peralta 14A - keep, he's almost underrated
Charlie Blackmon 3A - keep, even if he comes back to earth, the thin air and lots of at-bats will ensure lots of profit.
Carl Crawford 20A - keep, if he stays healthy there is a small profit here
Juan Lagares 7A - I am not convinced he can hit but he earned twice this salary in 2014.
Alex Torres 5A - pass, you can do better in the MR dept
Cole Hamels 23A - keep, I have a feeling he won't be traded
Cory Luebke 1A - pass, too much competition after too many injuries
Dan Haren 6A - worth it but you may be able to use the salary and roster spot better
John Axford 10F - not unless he becomes a closer before the draft and even then you'd have to think about it
Neil Ramirez 10F - pass, I like him but you can get him cheaper than this and keep him longer.
Odrisamer Despaigne 10F - I like him to but a ton of competition and an uncertain role, pass
Tanner Roark 5A - keep, no doubt
Tim Lincecum 10A - pass, I bet his price goes down another couple of bucks
Trevor Rosenthal 14B - keep, no extension

[chancellor]

Jordan Pacheco 1A No
Yasmani Grandal 9A Yes
Brayan Pena 2A No
Nolan Arenado 5B Yes. Extend to 10 not 15.
Justin Turner 10F No
Javier Baez 10A I'd try and deal him, but I wouldn't be heartbroken if I had to keep him at 10, either.
Cliff Pennington 1A No.
Jhonny Peralta 14A Keep
Charlie Blackmon 3A Keep
Carl Crawford 20A This guy is fantasy life-sucking poison. Put him out there and hope someone grabs him at 20 or more.
Juan Lagares 7A Keep
Alex Torres 5A No
Cole Hamels 23A Keep; might as well roll the dice
Cory Luebke 1A Nope.
Dan Haren 6A Keep.
John Axford 10F drop
Neil Ramirez 10F drop at that price
Odrisamer Despaigne 10F drop
Tanner Roark 5A Keep. He returns double even in a MR/swing role, if anyone gets hurt, you win big.
Tim Lincecum 10A drop
Trevor Rosenthal 14B keep don't extend

[BuckyBuckner]

I had my draft this weekend and I don't think it went well. My offense sucks and there's a pretty obvious reason why. I spent a ton on pitching this was actually by design because we have a three year pot where we add up all the stats every three years and have a champion for that three year period. We are entering the last year of this race and I am half a point out of first and my offense is good but my pitching needs work. I am also worried losing Hamels to the AL so I wanted to really bolster my pitching staff. I definitely accomplished that. What pissed me off was the fact that I left $8 on the table. I could have had better players than the $1 scrubs I picked up though I kind of like the guys I got I just wish I got better players.

Yasmani Grandal LAD 9B
Brayan Pena Cin 1A
Adam Lind Mil 19A
Ian Stewart Was 1A
Nolan Arenado Col 15C17
Javier Baez ChC 10B
Daniel Descalso Col 1A
Jhonny Peralta StL 14B
Hunter Pence SF 23A
Peter Bourjos StL 3A
Charlie Blackmon Col 3B
Carl Crawford LAD 20B
Juan Lagares NYM 7B
Kyle Parker Col 1A

Cory Luebke SD 1B
Tanner Roark Was 5B
Alex Wood Atl 25A
Hunter Strickland SF 1A
Cole Hamels Phi 23B
Trevor Rosenthal StL 14C15
Gio Gonzalez Was 22A
Madison Bumgarner SF 32A
Juan Nicasio LAD 1A
Dan Haren Mia 6B

Rio Ruiz Atl 10M
Corey Seager LAD 10M
Austin Meadows Pit 10M
Lucas Giolito Was 5M
Tyler Glasnow Pit 3M

What do you guys think? Go ahead, rip is apart I won't be offended.

[Sharky]

It's ok not great. Understand the focus on pitching, though I don't look at this roster and say "wow, it dominates pitching categories". Bigger concern is probably the lack of thump. Particularly acute in the OF. Lots of guys with similar profile (some wheels, decent BA, should score runs). But not much HR/RBI potential. I would try to flip one OF and one SP for a stronger OF and weaker SP.

[BuckyBuckner]

It's ok not great. Understand the focus on pitching, though I don't look at this roster and say "wow, it dominates pitching categories". Bigger concern is probably the lack of thump. Particularly acute in the OF. Lots of guys with similar profile (some wheels, decent BA, should score runs). But not much HR/RBI potential. I would try to flip one OF and one SP for a stronger OF and weaker SP.

Yeah, I am short on power, that's for sure. I need to work on plugging the holes and I hope to do that as teams start to look towards next year. That's really how trades are made in this league. If I were to trade a SP it would defeat the purpose of drafting them in the first place. I knew I'd be short on hitting so it makes no sense to improve it at the expense of the pitching. I think that in a 12 team NL only league Hamels, Bumgarner, Wood and Gonzalez is an impressive collection of starting pitchers. Especially if Roark somehow finds his way into the rotation.

[chancellor]

Yeah, I think you overkilled starting pitching at the expense of all your hitting. You're right about an impressive array of SPs - you definitely have that. But the $25 on Alex Wood and the $8 you left on the table add up to a pretty impressive hitter and a decent $1-3 MR who wouldn't hurt you.

[BuckyBuckner]

Yeah, I think you overkilled starting pitching at the expense of all your hitting. You're right about an impressive array of SPs - you definitely have that. But the $25 on Alex Wood and the $8 you left on the table add up to a pretty impressive hitter and a decent $1-3 MR who wouldn't hurt you.

Yeah, I know. I don't mind getting those pitchers and I agree I could have had a more balanced team but I felt I needed to focus on certain categories for the three year race. I'll dangle Baez and see if I can get two hitters that can't be kept to improve my offense. There are a few teams that have already made it known that they drafted looking for next year. I'm pretty furious at myself for leaving that money on the table.