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Originally posted by baldgriff View PostReally - JJ Posted something quite to the contrary just a couple pages back
[QUOTE Judge Jude]
this question was:
"Do you approve or disapprove of the recently announced deal between Amazon and New York, which grants up to $3 billion in state and city incentives to Amazon in return for locating its corporate office in Queens, where it is projected to generate 25,000 jobs?"
Democrats approve, 56 pct to 37 pct
Republicans approve, 47-42
Independents approve, 64-29
Whites approve, 51-40
Blacks approve, 70-25
Hispanics approve, 81-17
that doesn't contradict my post at all. Sure, people support it, but my point was that the government shouldnt be buying jobs from private compaines. And any libertarian or free market capitalist who actually believes in that would agree with me, but you want to make this into some Anti- AOC debate. If you don't like here fine, but don't pretend you are arguing from a free market/libertarian perspective, because you are not.---------------------------------------------
Champagne for breakfast and a Sherman in my hand !
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Originally posted by nots View PostSo you’re writing without being informed? Yikes, that’s a bad look.---------------------------------------------
Champagne for breakfast and a Sherman in my hand !
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The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.
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Originally posted by nots View PostSo you’re writing without being informed? Yikes, that’s a bad look.---------------------------------------------
Champagne for breakfast and a Sherman in my hand !
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The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.
George Orwell, 1984
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Originally posted by The Feral Slasher View PostSorry dude, corporations negotiating with the state for subsidies/money is the exact oppostite free market capitalism. Don't know what else to say.It is wrong and ultimately self-defeating for a nation of immigrants to permit the kind of abuse of our immigration laws we have seen in recent years and we must stop it.
Bill Clinton 1995, State of the Union Address
"When they go low - we go High" great motto - too bad it was a sack of bullshit. DNC election mantra
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Originally posted by The Feral Slasher View PostNo, that really had nothing to do with my point, and the uninformed reference applies to BG, not me. But go ahead and be that way
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"Governments have been bidding for jobs now for decades - Look at the NFL, NBA, MLB and NHL. The owners of these teams get funding from cities to build stadiums. How and why do the cities do it? For the jobs and taxable revenues that they create - being able to be called an NFL city also attracts people to your area. Good business decisions are good business decisions - regardless of your political affiliation."
this is very much in my wheelhouse, and I can tell you that you will look in vain to find a sports economist anywhere on the spectrum who doesn't find taxpayer-funded arenas and stadiums to be laughable boondoggles.
the dirty little secret is "discretionary income." if the Oilers leave Houston, then the former season ticketholders there will spend that money on other forms of entertainment in the area. an usher or concession workers loses out, and a waiter makes out great because those season ticketholders go out to dinner more, for example.
a major-league sports facility's presence or absence doesn't even show up as a rounding error in a major-league city's economic activity.
but politicians like to meet famous athletes and get free tickets and corporate boxes, and they are willing to spend hundreds of millions of the public's tax dollars so they can enjoy those perks.
the Giants and Jets were pissed because NJ wouldn't pay for a good chunk of their new stadium a decade ago. the NJ response was, "What bigger market than NY/NJ are you going to threaten to relocate to?"
so the Giants and Jets ponied up the $1.6B, with season ticketholders - the people who actually go to the stadium - paying about one-third of the cost thru PSLs.finished 10th in this 37th yr in 11-team-only NL 5x5
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Originally posted by The Feral Slasher View PostPlease go back and respond to the first post and tell BG he doesn't know what he is talking about, thanks. apparently I'm responsible for his bad info
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Originally posted by The Feral Slasher View Postthat doesn't contradict my post at all. Sure, people support it, but my point was that the government shouldnt be buying jobs from private compaines. And any libertarian or free market capitalist who actually believes in that would agree with me, but you want to make this into some Anti- AOC debate. If you don't like here fine, but don't pretend you are arguing from a free market/libertarian perspective, because you are not.
Now your just making it up as you go and lying to cover your ass.....
Originally posted by The Feral Slasher View PostSo, just as a reminder, this is what started it all. People didn't want the government to give $3 billion dollars to Amazon. Damn those people, what is wrong with themIt is wrong and ultimately self-defeating for a nation of immigrants to permit the kind of abuse of our immigration laws we have seen in recent years and we must stop it.
Bill Clinton 1995, State of the Union Address
"When they go low - we go High" great motto - too bad it was a sack of bullshit. DNC election mantra
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Originally posted by baldgriff View PostNow your just making it up as you go and lying to cover your ass.....---------------------------------------------
Champagne for breakfast and a Sherman in my hand !
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The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.
George Orwell, 1984
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SO you wont answer my question??
Originally posted by baldgriff View PostAre you saying that Governments cant/shouldnt do business with private companies?It is wrong and ultimately self-defeating for a nation of immigrants to permit the kind of abuse of our immigration laws we have seen in recent years and we must stop it.
Bill Clinton 1995, State of the Union Address
"When they go low - we go High" great motto - too bad it was a sack of bullshit. DNC election mantra
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Originally posted by The Feral Slasher View PostI'll bow out now and just leave you and nots to celebrate the government giving money to Amazon to support jobs. Like any good free market proponent would do.
Polls showed a pretty large majority of the population in that city though that the 3Billion Tax Credit was a really good trade off to bring the jobs and future economic boon associated with it to the area.
But you go ahead thinking that people didnt want it when the poll stating $3Billion (as posted by JJ) was in fact just the opposite of what you stated.It is wrong and ultimately self-defeating for a nation of immigrants to permit the kind of abuse of our immigration laws we have seen in recent years and we must stop it.
Bill Clinton 1995, State of the Union Address
"When they go low - we go High" great motto - too bad it was a sack of bullshit. DNC election mantra
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Originally posted by baldgriff View PostYou idiot---------------------------------------------
Champagne for breakfast and a Sherman in my hand !
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The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.
George Orwell, 1984
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Originally posted by The Feral Slasher View Postthat wasn't nice. Please go back and correct your mistakes in post number one. Its really bothering nots. Thanks !Originally posted by baldgriff View PostAre you saying that Governments cant/shouldnt do business with private companies?It is wrong and ultimately self-defeating for a nation of immigrants to permit the kind of abuse of our immigration laws we have seen in recent years and we must stop it.
Bill Clinton 1995, State of the Union Address
"When they go low - we go High" great motto - too bad it was a sack of bullshit. DNC election mantra
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