Fishing Deep Water

[onejayhawk]

These SP have ADP outside the top 300. Rank and give comments.

If you get control through 2025 does it change?

Braxton Garrett
Hayden Wesneski
Justin Steele *
Brayan Bello
Garrett Whitlock *
David Peterson
Luis Ortiz
Alex Wood
José Suarez
DL Hall
Ryne Nelson
Daniel Espino
Hunter Brown
Jhoan Duran
Nate Pearson

* Now in the top 300 ADP.

[Pauly]

steele jumps out as "doesnt belong." He should be ranked higher than all of them.

[onejayhawk]

steele jumps out as "doesnt belong." He should be ranked higher than all of them.

Good catch. The ADP was dated.

Using just December drafts both Steele and Whitlock jumped well into the top 300, #274 and #275 respectively.

Which pitchers gain value if you look for three seasons?

[harmon]

Loving some Hunter Brown. One opening away from the starting rotation. His ADP will leap up if they move Urquidy or one of the other starters.

I hope he got to pick Verlander's brain while he had the chance.

[onejayhawk]

Loving some Hunter Brown. One opening away from the starting rotation. His ADP will leap up if they move Urquidy or one of the other starters.

I hope he got to pick Verlander's brain while he had the chance.

HB and two of the others were in a Paul Sporer article on SP with no rotation spot. If you believe in drafting the skills not the role, these guys are for you. I should note that one of the three, Wesneski, snuck into the top 300.

https://fantasy.fangraphs.com/4-sixth-starters-who-could-be-great-in-2023/

[harmon]

HB and two of the others were in a Paul Sporer article on SP with no rotation spot. If you believe in drafting the skills not the role, these guys are for you. I should note that one of the three, Wesneski, snuck into the top 300.
https://fantasy.fangraphs.com/4-sixt...great-in-2023/

In drafts since Dec 14, Brown ADP is 261.

[Big Tymer]

Another strong vote for Hunter Brown who I took in the 16th round of an ongoing Draft Champions right now. This time last year Cristian Javier didn’t have a rotation spot either.

[onejayhawk]

In drafts since Dec 14, Brown ADP is 261.

I am using Draft Champions at NFC. Since 14 December there are only two drafts and the ADP is #273. Still, the trend is up.

Another strong vote for Hunter Brown who I took in the 16th round of an ongoing Draft Champions right now. This time last year Cristian Javier didn't have a rotation spot either.

What are your takes on Garrett Whitlock and Hayden Wesneski, the other two who have moved above #300?

[Pauly]

Whitlock is a poster boy for "dont do draft champions too early" lol
I mean there's pretty much nobody who knows how he will be used at this point.

[onejayhawk]

Whitlock is a poster boy for "dont do draft champions too early" lol
I mean there's pretty much nobody who knows how he will be used at this point.

That's true of almost all of these guys including Wesneski.
This is from RotoGraphs.

With the recent news that the 26-year-old righty will be in the Red Sox rotation, I decided to take a look since his ADP is just at 300.

There is a reason he moves between the two roles last season was that he didn’t perform as well as a starter (4.15 ERA, 8.8 K/9, 1.26 WHIP) versus relieving (2.75 ERA. 10.1 K/9, 0.79 WHIP). His starting ERA could regress downward with his ERA estimators in the 3.50 range. He has the arsenal to be a starter with a non-sinking sinker (11% SwStr%, 40 GB%) and two average or better non-fastballs, a change (14% SwStr%, 40% GB%) and a slider (23% SwStr%, 47% GB%).

If he's throwing mid-90s, where do you think he winds up?

[harmon]

With the addition of Kenley to the Red Sox pen I fully expect Whitlock to begin the year in the rotation. They wanted to last year but per various reports I've seen they appear to be more committed this year.

Brown and Wesneski are strong bets to join the rotation either out of the gates or shortly after. Brown has stud vibes and paired with being on the Astros is the stronger of the two plays.

[onejayhawk]

With the addition of Kenley to the Red Sox pen I fully expect Whitlock to begin the year in the rotation. They wanted to last year but per various reports I've seen they appear to be more committed this year.

Brown and Wesneski are strong bets to join the rotation either out of the gates or shortly after. Brown has stud vibes and paired with being on the Astros is the stronger of the two plays.

That's the point of this thread. There are SP who are available later than their skills merit because of the uncertainty about their role. Wesneski, Whitlock, and particularly Brown are perceived as more likely than some of the others.

Discounting those three, who do you like going into the next couple of years?

[Ken]

That's the point of this thread.

Darn it I came here hoping to see a thread about fishing

[Gregg]

Darn it I came here hoping to see a thread about fishing

When I saw you posted in this thread I was coming in here to suggest this very thing. You beat me to it. Ha.

[onejayhawk]

Darn it I came here hoping to see a thread about fishing

If trying to find useful SP after #300 isn't fishing, what is?