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  • The 20th Anniversary of 9-11

    Joe Biden, Barack Obama, and Bill Clinton are attending a 9-11 memorial in New York City.

    George Bush is attending a 9-11 memorial at the Shanksville, PA crash site of flight 93. He will later be joined by Joe Biden.

    And Donald Trump is hosting and commentating the heavyweight boxing match between Evander Holyfield and Vitor Belfort at the Seminole Hard Rock Hotel in Hollywood, Florida.
    “Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe.”

    ― Albert Einstein

  • #2
    Ilhan Omar will again say, "some people did something".

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    • #3
      20 years today. We need to remember.

      For one day our Country needs to put down our differences and allow a peaceful time for mourning and reflection.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Roy Hobbs View Post
        Ilhan Omar will again say, "some people did something".

        "Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake."
        - Napoleon Bonaparte (1769-1821)

        "Your shitty future continues to offend me."
        -Warren Ellis

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        • #5
          Here's an old quote that will make you shake your head:

          Speaking to local TV station WWOR, Trump said in 2001 that, due to the towers falling, a building he owned was now the tallest in New York: "I mean, 40 Wall Street actually was the second-tallest building in downtown Manhattan, and it was actually before the World Trade Center the tallest, and then when they built the World Trade Center it became known as the second-tallest, and now it's the tallest."
          “Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe.”

          ― Albert Einstein

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          • #7
            What we also must remember:





            If DMT didn't exist we would have to invent it. There has to be a weirdest thing. Once we have the concept weird, there has to be a weirdest thing. And DMT is simply it.
            - Terence McKenna

            Bullshit is everywhere. - George Carlin (& Jon Stewart)

            How old would you be if you didn't know how old you are? - Satchel Paige

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            • #8
              my boss was telling me on Thursday night she was explaining 9-11 to her kids (11 and 9) because they may hear about it in school the next day and she wanted them prepared. The younger was very upset by the whole thing. I'm just shocked that we are now living in a post-post-9/11 world.

              how did you parents with younger kids deal with it?
              I'm not expecting to grow flowers in the desert...

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              • #9
                Originally posted by heyelander View Post
                my boss was telling me on Thursday night she was explaining 9-11 to her kids (11 and 9) because they may hear about it in school the next day and she wanted them prepared. The younger was very upset by the whole thing. I'm just shocked that we are now living in a post-post-9/11 world.

                how did you parents with younger kids deal with it?
                We have generally taken the approach of shielding our young ones from all the bad in their lives, at least so far. My boys are very young--one just turned 4 and one will turn 7 soon. A couple of times, we tried to have a conversation about race and other serious stuff, but it was just scaring them and we realized it was better to let them live in a world ignorant of the worst for a little while longer.

                As a teacher, it has been an interesting evolution. I was a grad student when it happened and I listened to it happening on a radio in the shared grad offices in-between classes. I gave a brief speech during my next class and dismissed them. It did not seem at the time that many of the undergrads were as deeply disturbed by what had just happened as I was, but that may have been because of the shock of it all. I remember how differently everyone handled it. I had one professor the next day for a class I was taking completely ignore the subject and act totally normal. As a teacher, I did not see much writing that dealt with the national trauma of it until I moved to New York in 2012, when I had students writing about the trauma of it happening when they were very young and did not fully understand what was happening in their city. That was just a brief window, though--within a couple of years, it was merely a historical event for most students, except the few whose families were directly affected by it. It is an odd thing to have a society defining event like that happen and be impacted by it, but to be surrounded by people who see it as history, no different from WWII, or the assassination of JFK. I will always remember where I was when it happened, but most of the students I deal with now were not born when it happened, and even though most of them were born and raised in the city where it happened, are blissfully untraumatized by it.

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                • #10
                  Originally posted by heyelander View Post
                  my boss was telling me on Thursday night she was explaining 9-11 to her kids (11 and 9) because they may hear about it in school the next day and she wanted them prepared. The younger was very upset by the whole thing. I'm just shocked that we are now living in a post-post-9/11 world.

                  how did you parents with younger kids deal with it?
                  I watched the documentary Turning Point with my 10-year-old daughter yesterday. She stuck with it until the towers collapsed. My 8-year-old refused to watch any of it, but they're both aware of what happened.
                  If DMT didn't exist we would have to invent it. There has to be a weirdest thing. Once we have the concept weird, there has to be a weirdest thing. And DMT is simply it.
                  - Terence McKenna

                  Bullshit is everywhere. - George Carlin (& Jon Stewart)

                  How old would you be if you didn't know how old you are? - Satchel Paige

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                  • #11
                    I remember calling the local USAF and asking if I could re-enlist.

                    Arabic Crypto with a Top secret clearance and an Iraqi dialect specialist

                    BUT I was 40 and they said--no thanks we have a ton of enlistees....



                    I was so happy about a year after.
                    If I whisper my wicked marching orders into the ether with no regard to where or how they may bear fruit, I am blameless should a broken spirit carry those orders out upon the innocent, for it was not my hand that took the action merely my lips which let slip their darkest wish. ~Daniel Devereaux 2011

                    Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.
                    Martin Luther King, Jr.

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                    • #12
                      Originally posted by Sour Masher View Post
                      We have generally taken the approach of shielding our young ones from all the bad in their lives, at least so far. My boys are very young--one just turned 4 and one will turn 7 soon. A couple of times, we tried to have a conversation about race and other serious stuff, but it was just scaring them and we realized it was better to let them live in a world ignorant of the worst for a little while longer.

                      As a teacher, it has been an interesting evolution. I was a grad student when it happened and I listened to it happening on a radio in the shared grad offices in-between classes. I gave a brief speech during my next class and dismissed them. It did not seem at the time that many of the undergrads were as deeply disturbed by what had just happened as I was, but that may have been because of the shock of it all. I remember how differently everyone handled it. I had one professor the next day for a class I was taking completely ignore the subject and act totally normal. As a teacher, I did not see much writing that dealt with the national trauma of it until I moved to New York in 2012, when I had students writing about the trauma of it happening when they were very young and did not fully understand what was happening in their city. That was just a brief window, though--within a couple of years, it was merely a historical event for most students, except the few whose families were directly affected by it. It is an odd thing to have a society defining event like that happen and be impacted by it, but to be surrounded by people who see it as history, no different from WWII, or the assassination of JFK. I will always remember where I was when it happened, but most of the students I deal with now were not born when it happened, and even though most of them were born and raised in the city where it happened, are blissfully untraumatized by it.
                      Yeah, the experience seems different having moved out here to Cali. Out here it feels like a flag-waving, always remember (with an undertone of immigrants are bad) great day to be American day. It was much more personal and traumatic living on the east coast and being one or two connections away from someone who had been there or had a story of fleeing the area or whatnot.
                      I'm not expecting to grow flowers in the desert...

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                      • #13
                        My now third grader had a brief discussion about it last year in second grade, but then he had no idea what I was talking about this year when I tried to talk to him about it a little bit.

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                        • #14
                          Originally posted by umjewman View Post
                          My now third grader had a brief discussion about it last year in second grade, but then he had no idea what I was talking about this year when I tried to talk to him about it a little bit.
                          That sounds about right. I'd shake my head and say, "kids," but then I remember how much I forget now.

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                          • #15
                            Originally posted by GwynnInTheHall View Post
                            Don't get in the way of a good Trumper narrative.
                            Well, she did say it, so I believe we know how she really feels. That has nothing to do with a Trump nrrative.

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