Tour De France idiot

[madducks]

Authorities are looking for the woman who struck one of the cyclists with a sign causing a massive pileup of cyclists, numerous injuries, and forcing three cyclists to drop out. What an idiot!

What the heck is wrong with this fan?! It’s only Stage 1 of the #tourdefrance! pic.twitter.com/oxeQAK7WVI

— Julio Deluxe (@Julio_Deluxe) June 26, 2021

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[chancellor]

She's in BIG trouble. Criminal and civil complaints...and the guy she took down, Tony Martin (aka der Panzerwagon) has a fanatical cycling cult following.

[Sour Masher]

I don't follow cycling, but if they always have the fans so close without any barriers, even at the start, when all racers are so packed, they have to go so close to the grass, I am surprised this doesn't happen all of the time.

[umjewman]

I don't follow cycling, but if they always have the fans so close without any barriers, even at the start, when all racers are so packed, they have to go so close to the grass, I am surprised this doesn't happen all of the time.

A friend of mine follows cycling a lot. He said this actually happens all the time. I guess there was an incident a few years ago in a really narrow passage where a guy collided with the cameraman.

[Gregg]

She's in BIG trouble. Criminal and civil complaints...and the guy she took down, Tony Martin (aka der Panzerwagon) has a fanatical cycling cult following.

Stupid yes, criminal not so sure. It does not look intentional. Accidental not criminal.

Before I watched the video, I thought that she intentionally hit/slapped someone with a sign. I did not come away with that after watching.

[The Feral Slasher]

Stupid yes, criminal not so sure. It does not look intentional. Accidental not criminal.

Before I watched the video, I thought that she intentionally hit/slapped someone with a sign. I did not come away with that after watching.

How about accidental and criminal ?

[revo]

I know this isn't supposed to be funny because some of these riders got hurt.....but it's really kinda funny. Like 5,000 riders got taken out by one moron with a sign, and they all toppled like dominoes. And the sign that she was holding up read "Hello Grandma and Grampa" in German, LOL.

[Sour Masher]

I know this isn't supposed to be funny because some of these riders got hurt.....but it's really kinda funny. Like 5,000 riders got taken out by one moron with a sign, and they all toppled like dominoes. And the sign that she was holding up read "Hello Grandma and Grampa" in German, LOL.

I just don't get why they don't put up a barrier at these choke points and at the start of the race, given the fact that one woman's elbow (it wasn't the cardboard sign that knocked anyone over), can take out half the damn tour. These guys train forever for this. The idea that the whole landscape of the race can change from one rando leaning slighting is amazing to me. What stops sports bookies from hiring someone with a sign to lean over and change all the betting?

[revo]

Apparently the woman has fled the country to Germany. The Tour de France is planning on suing her, LOLOLOL. Gimme a break.

[chancellor]

I just don't get why they don't put up a barrier at these choke points and at the start of the race, given the fact that one woman's elbow (it wasn't the cardboard sign that knocked anyone over), can take out half the damn tour. These guys train forever for this. The idea that the whole landscape of the race can change from one rando leaning slighting is amazing to me. What stops sports bookies from hiring someone with a sign to lean over and change all the betting?

They do at key mountaintop areas and finish areas, but you're talking about over 180 km of race area with a lot of narrowish roads.

[chancellor]

How about accidental and criminal ?

Yup, this...in the US, in general, negligence becomes criminal when a person ignores a known or obvious risk, or disregards the life and safety of others. And and idiot who sticks herself and a sign out for a photo when cyclists, packed together in a bunch peloton, rolling at 25-30 mph are coming through is certainly ignoring a known risk and disregarding the safety of others.

France's laws are likely different, but given their presumption of innocence is different than that in the US, I'd sure as heck not want to find out.

[rhd]

France's laws are likely different, but given their presumption of innocence is different than that in the US, I'd sure as heck not want to find out.

My understanding is that there you are guilty until proven innocent, but that's misleading because they do much more investigation than we do before charging anyone w a crime. When they charge people, they're pretty sure they're guilty. So, it may be a while before this person is charged, if she ever is. The "innocent until proven guilty" method is pretty much limited to the countries whose law is based on English law. "Guilty until proven innocent" seems to be much more common.

[madducks]

The woman has been arrested and could face up to two years in prison and a fine of $35,000.

[Bene Futuis]

No, France does not hold that an accused person is guilty until proven innocent. Presumption of innocence is in their version of the Constitution and they have adopted the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, if I remember correctly, which provides the same. They are, however, a civil law country rather than a common law country like the US is - that just means that statutes guide their legal process to a greater extent than does stare decisis. There are far more civil law countries than common law countries.

[GwynnInTheHall]

No, France does not hold that an accused person is guilty until proven innocent. Presumption of innocence is in their version of the Constitution and they have adopted the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, if I remember correctly, which provides the same. They are, however, a civil law country rather than a common law country like the US is - that just means that statutes guide their legal process to a greater extent than does stare decisis. There are far more civil law countries than common law countries.

This is all Greek to me...