Pitchers vs. Walls

[Teenwolf]

Why are pitchers allowed to routinely have temper tantrums after poor performances leading to broken hands?

First of all, pitchers throwing punches with their pitching hand should be suspended without pay until they heal. I know it would never happen, but its ridiculous to watch pitchers go on IL for hand injuries they caused. Huascar Ynoa punched a wall, but Jesus Luzardo's tantrum was because of a video game! Something must be done.

How about punching bags nearby? Would that be as satisfying as punching a wall, or more? A heavy bag in every clubhouse could save some pitchers from themselves.

I think it's a poor message to send that you can neglect your biggest asset, the arm they're paying you for, with no consequences. Curious to hear other suggestions.

[chancellor]

I LOL'd at the thread title....

I get your frustration, but there's no way I'd give owners any more power to take more money from players than they already can.

Damn, that Ballast Point beer is powerful liberal stuff.

[Gregg]

Why are pitchers allowed to routinely have temper tantrums after poor performances leading to broken hands?

First of all, pitchers throwing punches with their pitching hand should be suspended without pay until they heal. I know it would never happen, but its ridiculous to watch pitchers go on IL for hand injuries they caused. Huascar Ynoa punched a wall, but Jesus Luzardo's tantrum was because of a video game! Something must be done.

How about punching bags nearby? Would that be as satisfying as punching a wall, or more? A heavy bag in every clubhouse could save some pitchers from themselves.

I think it's a poor message to send that you can neglect your biggest asset, the arm they're paying you for, with no consequences. Curious to hear other suggestions.

Good post.

I was thinking they should be suspended without pay as well.

[Gregg]

I LOL'd at the thread title....

I get your frustration, but there's no way I'd give owners any more power to take more money from players than they already can.

Damn, that Ballast Point beer is powerful liberal stuff.

I have to disagree with you on this one. The owners pay salaries in good faith. They have to eat missed games due to injury all the time. Tantrum injuries they should not have to eat.

How about not paying tantrum babies but giving the money to charity?

[Ken]

I'm not sure how Taylor will do when he's called up, but AAA pitchers aren't liking him so far.

[chancellor]

I have to disagree with you on this one. The owners pay salaries in good faith. They have to eat missed games due to injury all the time. Tantrum injuries they should not have to eat.

I certainly understand the concept. But owners have proven they operate in bad faith - just ask Kris Bryant or Jared Kelenic, and anything like this will get manipulated and stretched to any limit to screw players, just as the service rules have been.

[rhd]

To answer the question suggested by the title, I think the walls are undefeated so far .

Seriously, I would think that this situation can be managed thru contract language. I've never seen a MLB contract but I would think that language addressing situations like this should be pretty standard by now.

I'm not sure how Taylor will do when he's called up, but AAA pitchers aren't liking him so far.

I see what you did there .

[madducks]

Former Pirates pitcher Oliver Perez used to prefer kicking laundry carts (broken toe) in the clubhouse.

[Bene Futuis]

Waiting for someone to headbutt something in celebration and concuss themselves, a la Gus Frerotte. I don't usually cheer injuries but that one was fanfreakintastic.

[Ken]

I'm not sure how Taylor will do when he's called up, but AAA pitchers aren't liking him so far.

So far so good.

[ThatRogue]

Why are pitchers allowed to routinely have temper tantrums after poor performances leading to broken hands?

First of all, pitchers throwing punches with their pitching hand should be suspended without pay until they heal. I know it would never happen, but its ridiculous to watch pitchers go on IL for hand injuries they caused. Huascar Ynoa punched a wall, but Jesus Luzardo's tantrum was because of a video game! Something must be done.

How about punching bags nearby? Would that be as satisfying as punching a wall, or more? A heavy bag in every clubhouse could save some pitchers from themselves.

I think it's a poor message to send that you can neglect your biggest asset, the arm they're paying you for, with no consequences. Curious to hear other suggestions.

I have to disagree with you on this one. The owners pay salaries in good faith. They have to eat missed games due to injury all the time. Tantrum injuries they should not have to eat.

How about not paying tantrum babies but giving the money to charity?

I'm with Chance here. Human's do dumb things all the time. People want to fine players when they don't show enough passion (i.e. not running full speed and risking a leg injury on routine ground balls) and when they show too much passion (hitting something because they're frustrated they didn't perform at the level the team needed). Yes they make a lot of money, but that money, no matter how much, doesn't totally negate human emotions. I hate when players do dumb things, but I'm don't support legislating them into being emotionless robots. Some want players to be the ideal mix of emotion and logic and that's just not reasonable.

On the other hand, a pitcher that throws at a hitter and injures him should miss as much, if not more time than the batter misses (unless the hitter leaned into the pitch). That should have happened years ago, but few have advocated for that...

[Bene Futuis]

Give to the owners nothing and take from them everything!

I'd be shocked if the player's union would ever agree to including language about letting the owners refuse to pay players in these types of situations, and rightfully so.

[Teenwolf]

Give to the owners nothing and take from them everything!

I'd be shocked if the player's union would ever agree to including language about letting the owners refuse to pay players in these types of situations, and rightfully so.

I understand humans are "stupid", and I realize it will never be addressed, but I think it's shitty to let privileged millionaires throw tantrums, literally something that toddlers do, and injure themselves, hurt their org, etc. You think that's fine?

Police, celebrities, athletes, they all get away with fuckery that normal folks don't.

If a house painter had a project go sideways, and that house painter reacted by screaming and melting down, punching something and breaking his hand, maybe he has insurance, no bother... but he wouldn't be rewarded for it his entire life, over and over, into his career the way an athlete would be. Breaking your hand after a tantrum from a video game, no problem there? I suck at MLB the Show, but you don't see me putting holes in the wall of my apartment. Because I live with consequences.

I wish these role models weren't such idiots, but I don't have a proper prescription to stop it. I'm just whining.

[Bene Futuis]

I would never be in favor of something that gives the actual privileged rich in this equation - the owners - any power to steal wages from their employees any more than they already do. The players earn their salaries by being the very best in the entire world at their profession. The owners, many worth a thousand or five thousand or ten thousand millionaires or more, don't do jack shit other than be rich. As liberal stalwart Chancellor astutely notes "there's no way I'd give owners any more power to take more money from players than they already can." I can't even imagine contractual language that wouldn't encompass far more than what we're talking about here and it would only be to the detriment of the workers and to the benefit of the owners. No thanks.

Edit: Almost referred to them as masters and servants. Old habits die hard!

[Teenwolf]

I would never be in favor of something that gives the actual privileged rich in this equation - the owners - any power to steal wages from their employees any more than they already do. The players earn their salaries by being the very best in the entire world at their profession. The owners, many worth a thousand or five thousand or ten thousand millionaires or more, don't do jack shit other than be rich. As liberal stalwart Chancellor astutely notes "there's no way I'd give owners any more power to take more money from players than they already can." I can't even imagine contractual language that wouldn't encompass far more than what we're talking about here and it would only be to the detriment of the workers and to the benefit of the owners. No thanks.

Edit: Almost referred to them as masters and servants. Old habits die hard!

Taking the financial aspect out, I just think it sets a bad example for humans, regarding taking responsibility, and regarding self-abuse.

It's not about politics. It's about watching a product that puts a bad taste in my mouth because it reinforces that I'm the worker that has to be careful with my hands if I want to afford to pay these assholes' salary, they're the workers that get to throw their hand in a blender or at a wall out of lack of emotional maturity. Why? Why can they do that? Are you arguing they've earned the right to their self-abuse? So they can have weight incentives in contracts, performance incentives, etc, but no incentives for protecting their hands, the only piece of value they offer?

Would you support all contracts containing a bonus for players protecting their body, which 95%+ players would attain, and then only the idiots would get punished by not attaining their "bodily respect" bonus?