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    According to recent reports, the Giants were livid that the Eagles jumped ahead of them to take Devonta Smith.

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    Quote Originally Posted by revo View Post
    According to recent reports, the Giants were livid that the Eagles jumped ahead of them to take Devonta Smith.
    Bill Belichick would never stand for that. He would definitely have someone pulling the fire alarm in the middle of a freezing cold night at the Eagle's team hotel on the eve of an important game. Just for the record, i do not condone this type of behavior.
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    at first, I was stumped as to how the Cowboys - who, admittedly, are one of the dumbest franchises in the NFL - would enable the Eagles to move up and take a Heisman Trophy-winning WR who may be stomping on the 50-yard line Cowboys logo in Dallas for the next decade.

    then I saw the draft order and - well, it's going to happen with an NFC East rival anyway, so might as well gain some draft capital out of it.

    that said, seems like the Giants rebounded well with the trade with the Bears (unless Fields is a stud and Jones is a bust).
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    Why are wide receivers "worth it" when it comes to spending big draft capital? They are involved so relatively infrequently. Plus, they appear to be very risky picks to begin with: https://bleacherreport.com/articles/...-the-nfl-draft

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    interesting study.
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    C Stallings 2, Casali 1
    1B Vogelbach, 3B Segura 17, CI Fuentes 13, 2B Maton, SS TTurner 44, MI Gregorius 17
    OF Blackmon 32, Pollock 17, Cain 14, Bader 1, Daza 1, UT KLee
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bene Futuis View Post
    Why are wide receivers "worth it" when it comes to spending big draft capital? They are involved so relatively infrequently. Plus, they appear to be very risky picks to begin with: https://bleacherreport.com/articles/...-the-nfl-draft
    86-2010? Seems like the league has changed too much in the last 11 years to use that data, passing is so much more important than running now right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ken View Post
    86-2010? Seems like the league has changed too much in the last 11 years to use that data, passing is so much more important than running now right?
    I dunno, the real question for me was why are WRs worth high picks when they are not used that often.

    https://football.pitcherlist.com/pes...the-nfl-draft/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bene Futuis View Post
    Why are wide receivers "worth it" when it comes to spending big draft capital? They are involved so relatively infrequently. Plus, they appear to be very risky picks to begin with: https://bleacherreport.com/articles/...-the-nfl-draft
    I don't like this study. It's pretty unscientific, as All-Pro and Pro Bowls are subjective and don't give the true value to a player's contributions. Also, a team may use 5-6 WRs during a single game while they would only use 1 QB or center, for example. Also, what's their qualification of "bust?" Using pro-football-reference's Career AV would have made this study better IMO.

    I don't have a subscription plan to Sports Reference so I don't have access to their Draft Finder, but sorting recent drafts by CareerAV shows that WRs are routinely in the Top 12 of all players drafted:

    WRs in Top 12 Career AV so far
    2020 - 2
    2019 - 3
    2018 - 2
    2017 - 0
    2016 - 2
    2015 - 3
    2014 - 5
    2013 - 3

    Just eyeballing it shows they're in the Top 12 more frequently than any other position, at least over this short timeframe. But since I don't have the subscription, I'm not checking the bottom of the sorted list, and they may indeed have a very high failure rate. In fact, many 1st rd WRs have been major busts as determined by Career AV. In 2016 alone, 3 of the top 4 drafted WRs were major busts (Corey Coleman, Josh Doctson, Laquon Treadwell).

    That said, the standard was always that WRs were late-bloomers, often needing 3-4 years to hit their stride, due to the perils of the position. Obviously with the NFL as it is today, keeping cheap, talented players benched no longer makes any sense. WRs are expected to be contributors immediately, but yet there are many who still need that 3-4 year timeframe, with good recent examples being Corey Davis & Breshad Perriman.

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    The chart I posted above did not note which round the WR was taken, so that might be true. But the question was how much of a team's draft capital should go towards a WR, and I think my chart shows how important they really are, no matter where they were taken. So by that token, if the position is indeed valuable, it stands to reason a team would use high draft capital on it.

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