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    Quote Originally Posted by Todd Zola View Post
    I missed the part where you were called stupid. You're asking a tool designed for one thing to do another. Further, there isn't a practical workaround.
    i actually didn't ask for a tool designed to do one thing to do another if you read my original post. what i asked is how people adjust for the fact that the tool I, and others apparently use doesn't reflect how some leagues work. So the answer is that you throw your hands in the air. thanks for the great input !

    not sure if there is a thread on this, I use Fangraphs calculator for reference. Does anyone else use a different one they can recommend.

    a second question, for pitchers the league setup for daily, twice weekly, or weekly lineup changes has an impact on pitcher values. Is there a calculator that accounts for this...if not, how do people adjust for daily leagues where there may only be 9 pitcher spots, but in reality each team likely uses 11-13 pitchers ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Todd Zola View Post
    Sorry for wasting your time.
    that's ok, I got nothing better to do

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Feral Slasher View Post
    i actually didn't ask for a tool designed to do one thing to do another if you read my original post. what i asked is how people adjust for the fact that the tool I, and others apparently use doesn't reflect how some leagues work. So the answer is that you throw your hands in the air. thanks for the great input !
    I guess I’ll throw up my hands at trying to convince you that Todd’s first post on the topic was really good. It takes some subjectivity rather than just numbers but his approach was a good one to try.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ken View Post
    I guess I’ll throw up my hands at trying to convince you that Todd’s first post on the topic was really good. It takes some subjectivity rather than just numbers but his approach was a good one to try.
    throw your hands in the air like you just don't care !

    I'm not saying there is not some subjectivity involved, because there always is, what i was asking is how to differentiate between daily and weekly leagues in a calculator. I think a good starting point is the calculator and then from there apply your own biases and subjectivity as discussed. And I have not seen any feedback about how one would adjust inputs in the calculator for daily vs. weekly leagues. Honestly, I'll just figure it out for myself and not deal with the bullshit.

    EDIT: maybe we should all just use the same inputs for daily and weekly leagues, because clearly there is no difference.
    Last edited by The Feral Slasher; 03-22-2021 at 10:19 PM.

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    I guess we have different definitions for throwing hands up in the air and not caring.

    I explained conventional valuation isn't designed to handle daily or even twice-a-week leagues.

    I noted all calculators are based on every draft-worthy player active for the entire season with no roster churn at all.

    I gave an in depth example of what would need to be done to model valuation in a daily league and showed why it's impractical.

    I offered an alternate approach, which leverages the limitation of the calculator against the market.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Todd Zola View Post
    I guess we have different definitions for throwing hands up in the air and not caring.

    I explained conventional valuation isn't designed to handle daily or even twice-a-week leagues.

    I noted all calculators are based on every draft-worthy player active for the entire season with no roster churn at all.

    I gave an in depth example of what would need to be done to model valuation in a daily league and showed why it's impractical.

    I offered an alternate approach, which leverages the limitation of the calculator against the market.

    Yup, the very embodiment of apathy.
    thanks so much, very helpful

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Feral Slasher View Post
    Honestly, I'll just figure it out for myself and not deal with the bullshit.
    No one is giving you bullshit fwiw, you brought up a topic that has been thought about by many people but realistically is not objectively solvable (at least to my knowledge) given the current information and toolsets that we have at our disposal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ken View Post
    No one is giving you bullshit fwiw, you brought up a topic that has been thought about by many people but realistically is not objectively solvable (at least to my knowledge) given the current information and toolsets that we have at our disposal.
    yeah, good ok

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Feral Slasher View Post
    yeah, good ok
    you're an angry cat

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