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    Quote Originally Posted by Ken View Post
    You don't have to be an expert to suggest a methodology? It doesn't have to be detailed, but if you are suggesting something should exist it's reasonable to ask why you think that's the case.

    I *think* the answer was given several times in this thread that it doesn't exist. You pushed back above "surely there should be some reasonable approach to adjusting calculator inputs if you have a daily or weekly league"


    What was the impetus behind "surely" - what is it that makes you sure?
    because I think it is obvious that leagues with daily lineups use a different amount of pitchers than those with weekly lineups. And this affects values. If you think this is a wrong conclusion, just say so

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    because I think it is obvious that leagues with daily lineups use a different amount of pitchers than those with weekly lineups. And this affects values. If you think this is a wrong conclusion, just say so
    It's the proper conclusion, but there is no manner to account for it. This is the sticking point. With so much of the industry playing daily leagues, trust me, if it were practical, I'd be all over it. I have some stuff on Mastersball detailing projection methodology. Having a deeper understanding of the process could help demonstrate why there isn't a practical solution.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Todd Zola View Post
    It's the proper conclusion, but there is no manner to account for it. This is the sticking point. With so much of the industry playing daily leagues, trust me, if it were practical, I'd be all over it. I have some stuff on Mastersball detailing projection methodology. Having a deeper understanding of the process could help demonstrate why there isn't a practical solution.
    and I accept that answer. But at the same time I have access to the fangraphs calculator and I'm going to adjust it to account for my league settings, because that makes more sense than pretending that a twice weekly league doesn't impact values.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Feral Slasher View Post
    and I accept that answer. But at the same time I have access to the fangraphs calculator and I'm going to adjust it to account for my league settings, because that makes more sense than pretending that a twice weekly league doesn't impact values.
    I only get 9 auction pitchers to play daily. This usually is 5 starters, 2 Closers and two MR's. I use my reserve roster of 13 to grab the best 7 or 8 pitchers not purchased. 4 or 5 will be relievers. I stream those in when my starters have off days or my two MR's have just pitched.

    I can use fangraphs to help me determine which of those "free" reserve players are rated higher to help me at reserve draft time. My assumption is that I am going to play all of my pitchers as much as I can. So my reserve pitchers are getting as many innings as if I bought them at auction. Even if I play match ups that is something that needs to be done daily, twice a week or weekly (whatever your league is) at the time. It would not be considered at time of auction or draft. Setting fangraphs to 16 or 17 pitchers will not help me with the be more accurate. In fact I think it would be less.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gregg View Post
    I only get 9 auction pitchers to play daily. This usually is 5 starters, 2 Closers and two MR's. I use my reserve roster of 13 to grab the best 7 or 8 pitchers not purchased. 4 or 5 will be relievers. I stream those in when my starters have off days or my two MR's have just pitched.

    I can use fangraphs to help me determine which of those "free" reserve players are rated higher to help me at reserve draft time. My assumption is that I am going to play all of my pitchers as much as I can. So my reserve pitchers are getting as many innings as if I bought them at auction. Even if I play match ups that is something that needs to be done daily, twice a week or weekly (whatever your league is) at the time. It would not be considered at time of auction or draft. Setting fangraphs to 16 or 17 pitchers will not help me with the be more accurate. In fact I think it would be less.
    Ok, if u use more than 9 pitchers u are using pitchers with negative value according to the calculator. Not sure why you would use pitchers with negative value. But to each his own i suppose

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Feral Slasher View Post
    Ok, if u use more than 9 pitchers u are using pitchers with negative value according to the calculator. Not sure why you would use pitchers with negative value. But to each his own i suppose
    Or perhaps the pitchers u use dont really have negative value and u might consider adjusting calculator inputs to reflect this. I am ok whatever you decide

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    Ok, if u use more than 9 pitchers u are using pitchers with negative value according to the calculator. Not sure why you would use pitchers with negative value. But to each his own i suppose
    The negative earnings include starts where the pitcher won't be used. Prudent streaming can render a positive ROI.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Todd Zola View Post
    The negative earnings include starts where the pitcher won't be used. Prudent streaming can render a positive ROI.
    I agree. But you haven't addressed the fact that there are different values for daily and weekly lineups and how we should account for that. I have not seen anything that is actually helpful.

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    I just thought I would bring up a topic for discussion , didn't expect to be told I am just stupid. I guess I will think about it by myself
    I missed the part where you were called stupid. You're asking a tool designed for one thing to do another. Further, there isn't a practical workaround.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Todd Zola View Post
    I missed the part where you were called stupid. You're asking a tool designed for one thing to do another. Further, there isn't a practical workaround.
    Ha, I deleted the stupid comment. and it appears people don't think there is a workaround so I am fine with that

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