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    not sure if there is a thread on this, I use Fangraphs calculator for reference. Does anyone else use a different one they can recommend.

    a second question, for pitchers the league setup for daily, twice weekly, or weekly lineup changes has an impact on pitcher values. Is there a calculator that accounts for this...if not, how do people adjust for daily leagues where there may only be 9 pitcher spots, but in reality each team likely uses 11-13 pitchers ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Feral Slasher View Post
    not sure if there is a thread on this, I use Fangraphs calculator for reference. Does anyone else use a different one they can recommend.

    a second question, for pitchers the league setup for daily, twice weekly, or weekly lineup changes has an impact on pitcher values. Is there a calculator that accounts for this...if not, how do people adjust for daily leagues where there may only be 9 pitcher spots, but in reality each team likely uses 11-13 pitchers ?
    my main league has twice weekly lineups, so even though there are only 9 pitcher slots, I put in 11 or 12 pitchers in the calculator. Probably there exists a better calculator or a better method, would appreciate any input on this.

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    The issue with streaming and valuation is, on paper, you're only using the good matchups and the calculator accounts for the whole picture.

    15-20 years ago, I'd post a 1200 work reply, explaining how to adjust each projection to estimate the favorable starts and run the numbers, but it's not necessary.

    Run it as normal, then once you're into the streaming section of the rankings, cross out pitchers with bad home parks or on a lower team in a tough division and focus on some of the lower ranked arms in great streaming scenarios and play the market.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Todd Zola View Post
    The issue with streaming and valuation is, on paper, you're only using the good matchups and the calculator accounts for the whole picture.

    15-20 years ago, I'd post a 1200 work reply, explaining how to adjust each projection to estimate the favorable starts and run the numbers, but it's not necessary.

    Run it as normal, then once you're into the streaming section of the rankings, cross out pitchers with bad home parks or on a lower team in a tough division and focus on some of the lower ranked arms in great streaming scenarios and play the market.
    I probably didn't ask the question well or explain. From what I can see the Fangraphs calculator does not have an input for the frequency of scoring periods. So knowing that there are 9 pitching slots, but in reality every team uses 10-14 pitchers in our twice weekly lineups, what is the right way to input this in the calculator ? Or is there a calculator online that includes the scoring period ? Because it isn't just about the streaming pitchers, it also affects the values of all the other pitchers as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Feral Slasher View Post
    I probably didn't ask the question well or explain. From what I can see the Fangraphs calculator does not have an input for the frequency of scoring periods. So knowing that there are 9 pitching slots, but in reality every team uses 10-14 pitchers in our twice weekly lineups, what is the right way to input this in the calculator ? Or is there a calculator online that includes the scoring period ? Because it isn't just about the streaming pitchers, it also affects the values of all the other pitchers as well.
    I think Todd's answer above still applies as written.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ken View Post
    I think Todd's answer above still applies as written.
    Lol, ok

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Feral Slasher View Post
    Lol, ok
    I'm not sure exactly what you are looking for, unfortunately none of the big projections that come out have splits, and that's the only way to account for streaming.

    But really the value of your pitchers doesn't really change much does it? So just draft them in the same order and as Todd noted, keep in mind the pitchers who may have good home or away matchups when you get to streaming types.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ken View Post
    I'm not sure exactly what you are looking for, unfortunately none of the big projections that come out have splits, and that's the only way to account for streaming.

    But really the value of your pitchers doesn't really change much does it? So just draft them in the same order and as Todd noted, keep in mind the pitchers who may have good home or away matchups when you get to streaming types.
    What i was looking for:

    1) are there other calculators out there that are worth using as resources
    2) do any of these potential other calculators have inputs for scoring periods ?
    3) if not, how do people adjust the calculator inputs to account for various scoring periods and number of reserves on roster
    4) I am not a total idiot, just a partial one, but yes i can figure out a way to do this on my own, just thought some people might have some inputs or comments. I can certainly look at marginal pitchers or pitchers with extreme home parks and adjust.
    5) Not sure how much pitcher values change when inputs to the calculator are varied between 9-14, probably worth looking into

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Feral Slasher View Post
    What i was looking for:

    1) are there other calculators out there that are worth using as resources
    2) do any of these potential other calculators have inputs for scoring periods ?
    3) if not, how do people adjust the calculator inputs to account for various scoring periods and number of reserves on roster
    4) I am not a total idiot, just a partial one, but yes i can figure out a way to do this on my own, just thought some people might have some inputs or comments. I can certainly look at marginal pitchers or pitchers with extreme home parks and adjust.
    5) Not sure how much pitcher values change when inputs to the calculator are varied between 9-14, probably worth looking into
    regarding point 5, the change from 9 pitchers to 14 has a substantial affect on all pitcher values, not just the streamers. So what assumptions do people make when they put in the number of pitchers ? Because it has a significant impact on what the calculator spits out as values.

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    One of the tenets of conventional valuation, which is one of the major flaws, is assuming the draft-worthy pool is active all season.

    The draft-worthy pool is composed of exactly enough players to legally fill everyone's roster. The lowest price is $1 and everyone is scaled up assuming a sum-zero economy, using up the entire available budget.

    For example, in a 12-team league with 14 hitters, 9 pitchers and a $260 budget, there are 168 batters and 108 pitchers priced at $1 or more with the sum of all 276 being $3120 (12 x 260).

    When the game was invented, the rules were you couldn't reserve a player unless he was hurt or sent to the minors. Even then, the above wasn't perfect, but it is closer than today's rules with free movement between active to reserve, FAAB/waivers, daily moves, etc.

    The answer is no -- I have not seen a calculator rigged for more frequent moves.

    The scientist in me has wheel's spinning as to how it can be adjusted, but the aging old fart in me says don't waste your time, knowing the room and playing the market is the more practical approach.
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