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    His lawyer, Alia somethingorother, who was some small-time NJ attorney before, screwed the pooch yesterday by claiming that the FBI pic of the documents was not real (the Top Secret docs strewn all over the floor) because he "kept them in a box" where "many visitors would come." OMG.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chancellor View Post
    Both paragraphs d and e have been clearly interpreted by the courts to involve two linked issues - being closely held, and being damaging to the United States. Should you so doubt it, I'll refer you to Heidi Kitrosser's work, which shows on multiple blogs, most notably the Lawfare blog, which most assuredly is no pro-Trump blog.

    To further detail this is no slam dunk legal case, I'll quote from Bloomberg's law news service (again, certainly no pro-Trump service):
    It's funny that you bring up Heidi Kitrosser when telling me I'm wrong in my interpretation of the Espionage Act.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ken View Post
    It doesn't even matter if it was still classified as top secret. There were national defense documents, the espionage act makes it a crime to retain any government records pertaining to the US's national defense.
    "The statute does not even strictly require even that the information be classified so long as it is relating to the national defense," Northwestern University law professor Heidi Kitrosser said, referring to the Espionage Act.
    https://www.reuters.com/world/us/tru...rt-2022-08-12/


    Your preferred source says almost word for word the same thing you tried to correct me on.

    Quote Originally Posted by chancellor View Post
    A team led by Justice officials is examining records to determine whether criminal laws were broken and if charges should be brought, the officials said.
    Wait what? The fact that they are examining the records to confirm if criminal laws were broken suggests to you that they weren't?

    I don't think that means what you think it means.

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    TFG Just offered pardons and financial reparations to all Jan 6th criminals if they can get him elected in 2024. Doesn't this essentially say--do whatever you have to to get me in office, violent, treason or otherwise and I'll reward you for it?

    This Fuckin Guy need to go away. Hopefully to prison, but I'm open to other options.
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    Today's unperishing excerpt from TFG.

    He's now inferring that should he be indicted that violence will ensue. Big Problems, he says. To paraphrase something I read earlier--TFG must think he's Don Corleone 'That's a a nice country you have, it'd be a shame if something should happen to it.
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    Another day, another lawsuit against the former criminal-in-chief:

    "New York Attorney General Letitia James said Wednesday her office believes it has uncovered federal crimes by former President Donald Trump and others, including bank fraud and lying to financial institutions.

    James said her office has sent a criminal referral to federal prosecutors in Manhattan and the IRS.

    The revelation of possible federal crimes by the former president came as James announced a civil lawsuit accusing Trump, three of his adult children and some of his longtime business associates of submitting years of fraudulent financial statements in order to achieve various financial benefits.

    “We believe the conduct alleged in this action also violates federal criminal law,” James said, “including issuing false statements to financial institutions and bank fraud.”

    “We are referring those criminal violations that we have uncovered to the United States Attorney for the Southern District of New York, and the Internal Revenue Service,” James said at a press conference."
    https://www.cnbc.com/2022/09/21/trum...tia-james.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by revo View Post
    Another day, another lawsuit against the former criminal-in-chief:

    "New York Attorney General Letitia James said Wednesday her office believes it has uncovered federal crimes by former President Donald Trump and others, including bank fraud and lying to financial institutions.

    James said her office has sent a criminal referral to federal prosecutors in Manhattan and the IRS.

    The revelation of possible federal crimes by the former president came as James announced a civil lawsuit accusing Trump, three of his adult children and some of his longtime business associates of submitting years of fraudulent financial statements in order to achieve various financial benefits.

    “We believe the conduct alleged in this action also violates federal criminal law,” James said, “including issuing false statements to financial institutions and bank fraud.”

    “We are referring those criminal violations that we have uncovered to the United States Attorney for the Southern District of New York, and the Internal Revenue Service,” James said at a press conference."
    https://www.cnbc.com/2022/09/21/trum...tia-james.html
    So which country with no extradition will Trump sell the classified documents to?
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    Quote Originally Posted by revo View Post
    Another day, another lawsuit against the former criminal-in-chief:

    "New York Attorney General Letitia James said Wednesday her office believes it has uncovered federal crimes by former President Donald Trump and others, including bank fraud and lying to financial institutions.

    James said her office has sent a criminal referral to federal prosecutors in Manhattan and the IRS.

    The revelation of possible federal crimes by the former president came as James announced a civil lawsuit accusing Trump, three of his adult children and some of his longtime business associates of submitting years of fraudulent financial statements in order to achieve various financial benefits.

    “We believe the conduct alleged in this action also violates federal criminal law,” James said, “including issuing false statements to financial institutions and bank fraud.”

    “We are referring those criminal violations that we have uncovered to the United States Attorney for the Southern District of New York, and the Internal Revenue Service,” James said at a press conference."
    https://www.cnbc.com/2022/09/21/trum...tia-james.html
    Trump is the undisputed king of how to circumvent the U.S. legal system. Getting the IRS involved is a good move. The IRS has brought down many criminal empires over the years. But, even the IRS has never seen a criminal empire as big as this one before. Trump will probably be dead before there is a conviction many years from now. But, his children will be left to pay for the crimes of their father. And of course the taxpayers will be left to pay for the cost of many years of litigation.
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    My favorite TFG moment perhaps of all time. On Hannity, he proclaimed that all he had to do was THINK A DOCUMENT WAS UNCLASSIFIED! And as if by magic, it would be! And we elected this buffoon?

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...ify-documents/
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