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    I thought about the 1891 painting The Doctor

    The Doctor is an 1891 painting by Luke Fildes that depicts a Victorian doctor observing the critical stage in a child's illness while the parents gaze on helplessly from the periphery. It has been used to portray the values of the ideal physician and the inadequacies of the medical profession.


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    when you really think about it, it's not like you are fixing something mechanical, or economically, a doctor is fixing humans. there can be no greater profession. for sure Shakespeare wrote about that.

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    this seems like something to consider



    at the end when he says because of the naturally immune and the vaccinated creating different selective pressure on the virus, at the same time, it's creating the chance of a major catastrophe of variants so infectious they will suppress the innate immunity of younger people.

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    I don't know maybe I am wrong about all of this, there is certainly some really piss poor conspiracy information out there. the kind of conspiracy shit that makes you angry.

    so I was just going through academic papers all night and I came across Tcell stuff and drugs that inhibit interleukin (IL)-17 (which I assume is inflammation). drugs for the treatment of psoriasis, surprisingly there are a lot of IL-17 inhibiting drugs for lots of things. I piggybacked from there and found papers on computer models looking for potential molecules to fight covid. and then I remembered an earlier paper where they said one of the molecules was vitamin B12. Study suggests vitamin B12 as a SARS-CoV-2 antiviral https://www.news-medical.net/news/20...antiviral.aspx
    The team used a quantum-inspired device in combination with a more traditional fingerprinting method to search for drugs that are similar to remdesivir, the only antiviral against SARS-CoV-2 that is currently approved for human use.
    not that I hear remdesivir is all that great. The Tanimoto model predicted different forms of cobalamin, also known as vitamin B12.

    I also might have learned that Tcells use vitamin D as sort of antennae's when mounting a response. which might explain more severe cases of covid in people with a vitamin D deficiency. they say Fauci takes 4000 (that can't be right). way over the recommended dosage.

    I also learned that they say to assume most health research is fraudulent lol https://blogs.bmj.com/bmj/2021/07/05...ved-otherwise/
    Mol, like Roberts, has conducted systematic reviews only to realise that most of the trials included either were zombie trials that were fatally flawed or were untrustworthy. What, he asked, is the scale of the problem? Although retractions are increasing, only about 0.04% of biomedical studies have been retracted, suggesting the problem is small. But the anaesthetist John Carlisle analysed 526 trials submitted to Anaesthesia and found that 73 (14%) had false data, and 43 (8%) he categorised as zombie.
    that's right! supposedly 8% of health studies were zombie trials, uh huh..

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    the elephant in the room is whether or not you can still be infected even after you have had covid or been vaccinated. it will be less virulent and symptomatic but still infectious and asymptomatic. if that's true than saying it's ok to not wear a mask after vaccination is inaccurate. the vaccines only lower the virulence and symptoms, they don't prevent them. and never did any of the vaccine companies claim they did, and rightfully so.

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    here a few opinions on it Vanden Bossche’s Theory: Mass Vaccination Will Breed Dangerous Variants – Fact or Fiction? https://dryburgh.com/vanden-bossche-...act-or-fiction from what looks like a very antivax site the guy asked 3 researchers Dr Byram Bridle, Viral Immunologist. Dr Knut Wittkowski, Epidemiologist. Dr Mike Yeadon, Former Vice President and Chief Science Officer for Pfizer whether vaccinations have the ability to turn covid into a so-called uncontrollable monster.

    my interest is because if it were true, and I lean that it isn't true, and I am one of those people that are naturally immune, then I want to know if other people being vaccinated is going to eventually harm me. so in essence the argument that the unvaccinated but naturally immune is the danger is being turned around and it would be the vaccinated endangering the people with natural immunity (in the meantime, the unvaccinated with no natural immunity are being super spreaders and dying). so there's 3 camps going on here.

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    ok so the Vanden Bossche’s Theory looks to be wrong. but that dryburgh site looks pretty good.

    you have to admit, when people start combining different vaccines, like if you took a mRNA first, and then people say to take one of the DNA ones as a second dose, no this wasn't done in the phase 2 trials. or lets just give everyone a single dose first than go back with a second one when we can.. that wasn't in the trials for emergency approval. so it appears things are getting a little sloppy. and who knows afterwards after combining different vaccines one of them has a problem and the other doesn't.

    also, I didn't even know there was a H1N1 vaccines. I had the H1N1, that thing actually sort of kicked my ass. that was when my cat fell out of a tree and I was visiting her in the ER a lot. when I got home eventually with her i was so taxed i accidentally dropped a can of food on her head and she was like wtf. so one of the H1N1 vaccines actually had narcolepsy issues discovered 2 years after.

    i read in the 2nd wave of the 1918 pandemic, i read a decent paper that showed it did have mutations indicating more disease severity. two current influenza viruses have a similar mutation, H5N1 and one of the others. and i assume the Spanish flu disappeared for some reason later. why was the 2nd wave more severe etc.. probably not a hard paper to find again. so that would make Vanden Bossche potentially wrong again, maybe.

    technically we're still in phase 3 trials.
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    the elephant in the room is whether or not you can still be infected even after you have had covid or been vaccinated. it will be less virulent and symptomatic but still infectious and asymptomatic. if that's true than saying it's ok to not wear a mask after vaccination is inaccurate. the vaccines only lower the virulence and symptoms, they don't prevent them. and never did any of the vaccine companies claim they did, and rightfully so.
    Whether you can be infected after being vaccinated - definitely, you can. As you noted, it will be less virulent and severity is less. The lower virulence level also reduces, but does not eliminate, infectiousness.

    If you've had COVID and not been vaccinated, studies have shown immune response roughly equal to vaccination. The premise is that re-infection rates are then roughly equal to those who are vaccinated and symptomology will be the same; however, that hasn't been formally tested and I doubt it will.

    Per Vitamin D, I don't know a medical professional who isn't supplementing. B12 is trickier due to the allergy risks and some of the other potential side effects.
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    From the "No Duh" department:

    “I don’t know. You tell me,” Ivey said. “Folks [are] supposed to have common sense. But it’s time to start blaming the unvaccinated folks, not the regular folks. It’s the unvaccinated folks that are letting us down.”
    https://www.politico.com/news/2021/0...dd1qbdLuh5KOp8

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    This CV-19 crisis continues to be mismanaged by everyone. The Tokyo Olympics have just started. They really should have been postponed again, since the world is in the midst of another spike and even before that hadnt yet reached a truly manageable level. But since they decided to go ahead w it, both the IOC and the countries individual OCs, like the USOC, should have absolutely required that all participants be vaccinated or else be barred from attending. Of the 600+ US athletes attending, only 83% are vaccinated. Probably it's a similar figure for most other countries. It's amazing how much people in charge refuse to learn anything from this. We've seen the enemy and they are us.

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