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  • #16
    Originally posted by johnnya24 View Post
    Franchise is equivalent to Letter or Decade. A player will have a designated Franchise(s) based on number of years he played with them. That is what I am currently trying to catalogue.
    But letter never changes, it's a static attribute of the player (outside of say, Felipe Vazquez), and Decade is associated with BY - i.e. you can't take Ruth 1910s, and choose 1921 as BY.

    It sounds like you are saying the franchise list is a static attribute of the player like... position. i.e. I could take a player at a position they qualify for even if they didn't play there in their BY.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by DMT View Post
      I assumed BY determined franchise, isn't that how it was done last time?
      I will say, it gets more difficult on the data side if it's not global since you have players who can switch teams mid year. Do you only get their stats for part of the year? All the stats we have for VD so far have the entire year accounted for, not partial years. Not saying we can't change it, but it adds complexity.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Ken View Post
        I will say, it gets more difficult on the data side if it's not global since you have players who can switch teams mid year. Do you only get their stats for part of the year? All the stats we have for VD so far have the entire year accounted for, not partial years. Not saying we can't change it, but it adds complexity.
        Mid-year trades are tricky but it would seem like we could either make those years eligible for both franchises or just the one with more games.
        If DMT didn't exist we would have to invent it. There has to be a weirdest thing. Once we have the concept weird, there has to be a weirdest thing. And DMT is simply it.
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        • #19
          Originally posted by DMT View Post
          Mid-year trades are tricky but it would seem like we could either make those years eligible for both franchises or just the one with more games.
          Logically there are good solutions, I agree, but from the data standpoint it adds some complexity - that split season information is not available in the spreadsheet or in my personal database for example, which makes it harder for us to put together an interface of some kind to use for this. Regardless of how we decide to treat it.

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          • #20
            So my friend is trying to register on RJ but he's not able to generate an image for verification. He tried on both Chrome and MS Edge. Can anyone help him out?
            If DMT didn't exist we would have to invent it. There has to be a weirdest thing. Once we have the concept weird, there has to be a weirdest thing. And DMT is simply it.
            - Terence McKenna

            Bullshit is everywhere. - George Carlin (& Jon Stewart)

            How old would you be if you didn't know how old you are? - Satchel Paige

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            • #21
              Originally posted by DMT View Post
              So my friend is trying to register on RJ but he's not able to generate an image for verification. He tried on both Chrome and MS Edge. Can anyone help him out?
              Good luck! Byron had the same problem and I referred him to Revo and eventually Jason. I don't think he ever got in.

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              • #22
                There are:

                --23,404 distinct 3 year pitcher peaks
                --14,562 distinct 5 year pitcher peaks
                --51,761 distinct 3 year hitter peaks
                --33,497 distinct 5 year hitter peaks

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by DMT View Post
                  Has this already been decided? Because I think it makes a lot more sense to have BY determine franchise. Or is it not feasible for the spreadsheet?
                  I agree with this... it will loosen things up a bit too.
                  I'm not expecting to grow flowers in the desert...

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                  • #24
                    While we are at it, some interesting names that don't work in franchise mode. Gary Sheffield never had 5 years with the same team in his 22 year career.
                    Last edited by Ken; 05-05-2020, 04:17 PM.

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                    • #25
                      There is also the question whether we lump some of the early franchises together like we did previously---I want to say we had two "franchises" that were actually a bunch of different ones---one pre-1880-something and one post-1880-something. They included the failed franchises from the National Association, the Players' League, etc.

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                      • #26
                        There are 7,359 hitter-seasons and 3,551 pitcher-seasons where a player accumulated stats with multiple teams.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by cavebird View Post
                          There is also the question whether we lump some of the early franchises together like we did previously---I want to say we had two "franchises" that were actually a bunch of different ones---one pre-1880-something and one post-1880-something. They included the failed franchises from the National Association, the Players' League, etc.
                          Below are the 101 team_ids I have from baseball reference:

                          ALT
                          ANA
                          ARI
                          ATH
                          ATL
                          BAL
                          BLA
                          BLN
                          BLU
                          BOS
                          BRA
                          BRG
                          BRO
                          BSN
                          BTT
                          BUF
                          BWW
                          CAL
                          CEN
                          CHC
                          CHI
                          CHW
                          CIN
                          CKK
                          CLE
                          CLV
                          COL
                          COR
                          CPI
                          DET
                          DTN
                          ECK
                          FLA
                          HAR
                          HOU
                          IND
                          KCA
                          KCC
                          KCN
                          KCP
                          KCR
                          KEK
                          LAA
                          LAD
                          LOU
                          MAN
                          MAR
                          MIA
                          MIL
                          MIN
                          MLA
                          MLG
                          MLN
                          MON
                          NAT
                          NEW
                          NHV
                          NYG
                          NYI
                          NYM
                          NYP
                          NYU
                          NYY
                          OAK
                          OLY
                          PBB
                          PBS
                          PHA
                          PHI
                          PHK
                          PHQ
                          PIT
                          PRO
                          RES
                          RIC
                          ROC
                          ROK
                          SDP
                          SEA
                          SEP
                          SFG
                          SLB
                          SLM
                          SLR
                          STL
                          STP
                          SYR
                          TBD
                          TBR
                          TEX
                          TOL
                          TOR
                          TRO
                          WAS
                          WES
                          WHS
                          WIL
                          WOR
                          WSA
                          WSH
                          WSN

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Ken View Post
                            Below are the 101 team_ids I have from baseball reference:
                            hmm... can we see leagues next to each of them?
                            I'm not expecting to grow flowers in the desert...

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                            • #29
                              ALT ROK, BRA!

                              Edit: Goddamn you, evil capitalization ban!
                              More American children die by gunfire in a year than on-duty police officers and active duty military.

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                              • #30
                                Many of those franchise designations are the same franchise. For example, BOS (1871-75), BLN (1876-1952), MLN (1953-1965), and ATL (1966-Present) are all the Braves franchise.

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