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  • #16
    Originally posted by DMT View Post
    Is this an extreme event or are you claiming this is evidence against global warming?
    For me extreme event.

    I am dressing warmer and waiting it out. I am not much of a weather watcher.

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    • #17
      I think it's super important in both directions to distinguish between extreme weather and evidence of sustained climatological change over time. Neither the current California wild fires nor the current "cold snap" should be cited as evidence one way or the other. Show me real data trends. Is there are sustained decrease in humidity in the west over multiple years that would account for an increase in the number and severity of fires?

      We know that average global temperatures have risen over the past several decades. Scientists are comfortable from their testing attributing that to the influence of human activity. But might there be "compensating" natural forces that will render that global temperature increase cyclical, much like other heating and cooling climate cycles throughout geologic history? If anywhere, that's where the climate change skeptics still retain a little wiggle room for argument that doesn't fly into the face of the data. Talking about how cold you've felt this November, however, is a bit silly. (That may well have been the intent - not sure.)

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      • #18
        Originally posted by B-Fly View Post
        I think it's super important in both directions to distinguish between extreme weather and evidence of sustained climatological change over time. Neither the current California wild fires nor the current "cold snap" should be cited as evidence one way or the other. Show me real data trends. Is there are sustained decrease in humidity in the west over multiple years that would account for an increase in the number and severity of fires?

        We know that average global temperatures have risen over the past several decades. Scientists are comfortable from their testing attributing that to the influence of human activity. But might there be "compensating" natural forces that will render that global temperature increase cyclical, much like other heating and cooling climate cycles throughout geologic history? If anywhere, that's where the climate change skeptics still retain a little wiggle room for argument that doesn't fly into the face of the data. Talking about how cold you've felt this November, however, is a bit silly. (That may well have been the intent - not sure.)
        Agreed.

        We do seem to be setting all sorts of records locally, nationally, globally. Not sure there are any dots to connect.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by B-Fly View Post
          I think it's super important in both directions to distinguish between extreme weather and evidence of sustained climatological change over time. Neither the current California wild fires nor the current "cold snap" should be cited as evidence one way or the other. Show me real data trends. Is there are sustained decrease in humidity in the west over multiple years that would account for an increase in the number and severity of fires?

          We know that average global temperatures have risen over the past several decades. Scientists are comfortable from their testing attributing that to the influence of human activity. But might there be "compensating" natural forces that will render that global temperature increase cyclical, much like other heating and cooling climate cycles throughout geologic history? If anywhere, that's where the climate change skeptics still retain a little wiggle room for argument that doesn't fly into the face of the data. Talking about how cold you've felt this November, however, is a bit silly. (That may well have been the intent - not sure.)
          the problem we have in California is that we only recently came out of a 5 year drought in which many trees died or are dying, both from the drought and from beetle infestations that have increased as local tempatures have increased. Last years rains created a ton of young brush/weeds/plants that have dried up since we haven't had significant rain (at least in northern california) in 6 months. Brush + dead trees compounds wildfires and with more people moving into wooded areas, more human/property damage as well
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          • #20
            Originally posted by DMT View Post
            Is this an extreme event or are you claiming this is evidence against global warming?
            Its an extremely cold weather event for november!
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            • #21
              Originally posted by Fresno Bob View Post
              the problem we have in California is that we only recently came out of a 5 year drought in which many trees died or are dying, both from the drought and from beetle infestations that have increased as local tempatures have increased. Last years rains created a ton of young brush/weeds/plants that have dried up since we haven't had significant rain (at least in northern california) in 6 months. Brush + dead trees compounds wildfires and with more people moving into wooded areas, more human/property damage as well
              And if the rains come now there will be massive flooding and mudslides.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by B-Fly View Post
                I think it's super important in both directions to distinguish between extreme weather and evidence of sustained climatological change over time. Neither the current California wild fires nor the current "cold snap" should be cited as evidence one way or the other. Show me real data trends. Is there are sustained decrease in humidity in the west over multiple years that would account for an increase in the number and severity of fires?

                We know that average global temperatures have risen over the past several decades. Scientists are comfortable from their testing attributing that to the influence of human activity. But might there be "compensating" natural forces that will render that global temperature increase cyclical, much like other heating and cooling climate cycles throughout geologic history? If anywhere, that's where the climate change skeptics still retain a little wiggle room for argument that doesn't fly into the face of the data. Talking about how cold you've felt this November, however, is a bit silly. (That may well have been the intent - not sure.)
                one of the problems is that nothing that occurs is seen as contrary to climate change. so if we go 10 years without a hurricane, or then there are a bunch of hurricanes, it all works.

                not to say that climate change isn't a real thing - it's just that it doesn't look right to many, when there is no climate event that isn't found to fit the narrative. nice work if you can get it.
                finished 10th in this 37th yr in 11-team-only NL 5x5
                own picks 1, 2, 5, 6, 9 in April 2022 1st-rd farmhand draft
                won in 2017 15 07 05 04 02 93 90 84

                SP SGray 16, TWalker 10, AWood 10, Price 3, KH Kim 2, Corbin 10
                RP Bednar 10, Bender 10, Graterol 2
                C Stallings 2, Casali 1
                1B Votto 10, 3B ERios 2, 1B Zimmerman 2, 2S Chisholm 5, 2B Hoerner 5, 2B Solano 2, 2B LGarcia 10, SS Gregorius 17
                OF Cain 14, Bader 1, Daza 1

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                • #23
                  Yea thats not the problem with climate change. The problem is that it requires reading and investing time in the work that scientists have put in. Spend a day on https://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/ and you will read how this is not political, not opinion, consensus has been reached "Scientific evidence for warming of the climate system is unequivocal." per Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change. Sure, we can point out how 500 year weather events happen every year now, or how the Arctic will be ice free by mid century, of rising sea levels, or whatever single points that could be dismissed but that is not how science works.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by gcstomp View Post
                    Yea thats not the problem with climate change. The problem is that it requires reading and investing time in the work that scientists have put in. Spend a day on https://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/ and you will read how this is not political, not opinion, consensus has been reached "Scientific evidence for warming of the climate system is unequivocal." per Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change. Sure, we can point out how 500 year weather events happen every year now, or how the Arctic will be ice free by mid century, of rising sea levels, or whatever single points that could be dismissed but that is not how science works.
                    Right, which is why citing individual extreme weather events to win over skeptics probably is the wrong way to go, no?

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                    • #25
                      B-Fly, its appropriate for what we are. We have the RJ message board of people chatting about their experience and their views. We also have scientific communities where the barrier to entry is collectives of phd's in their field who have invested resources, time, immeasurable date sets, the best minds on planet, and have arrived at points of certainty that this RJ message board cant see in same way.

                      The very language we use in these 2 different groups are different because we have different playing fields of understanding, and of tools of established baseline knowledge. Its why it is infuriating when as proof against global warming, you have someone walk into congress and drop a snowball, and say see, no global warming. And for this person to be in charge of making decisions regarding environment. Its like letting a hamster run a 3 Michelin star sushi restaurant. The absurdity is we do live under a government construct that those who are clueless make decisions.

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                      • #26
                        I wish more scientists would run for office.

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                        • #27
                          I agree with much of 25.

                          but if nothing that occurs can ever be seen as contrary to a confirmed consensus, a lot of people are not going to see that as very, well, scientific.
                          finished 10th in this 37th yr in 11-team-only NL 5x5
                          own picks 1, 2, 5, 6, 9 in April 2022 1st-rd farmhand draft
                          won in 2017 15 07 05 04 02 93 90 84

                          SP SGray 16, TWalker 10, AWood 10, Price 3, KH Kim 2, Corbin 10
                          RP Bednar 10, Bender 10, Graterol 2
                          C Stallings 2, Casali 1
                          1B Votto 10, 3B ERios 2, 1B Zimmerman 2, 2S Chisholm 5, 2B Hoerner 5, 2B Solano 2, 2B LGarcia 10, SS Gregorius 17
                          OF Cain 14, Bader 1, Daza 1

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Judge Jude View Post
                            I agree with much of 25.

                            but if nothing that occurs can ever be seen as contrary to a confirmed consensus, a lot of people are not going to see that as very, well, scientific.
                            Very bizarre logic here.
                            If DMT didn't exist we would have to invent it. There has to be a weirdest thing. Once we have the concept weird, there has to be a weirdest thing. And DMT is simply it.
                            - Terence McKenna

                            Bullshit is everywhere. - George Carlin (& Jon Stewart)

                            How old would you be if you didn't know how old you are? - Satchel Paige

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                            • #29
                              "if nothing that occurs can ever be seen as contrary to a confirmed consensus, a lot of people are not going to see that as very, well, scientific."

                              maybe it would help you if you take it generally, and not just for climate change.

                              I think B-Fly already has grasped the point.
                              finished 10th in this 37th yr in 11-team-only NL 5x5
                              own picks 1, 2, 5, 6, 9 in April 2022 1st-rd farmhand draft
                              won in 2017 15 07 05 04 02 93 90 84

                              SP SGray 16, TWalker 10, AWood 10, Price 3, KH Kim 2, Corbin 10
                              RP Bednar 10, Bender 10, Graterol 2
                              C Stallings 2, Casali 1
                              1B Votto 10, 3B ERios 2, 1B Zimmerman 2, 2S Chisholm 5, 2B Hoerner 5, 2B Solano 2, 2B LGarcia 10, SS Gregorius 17
                              OF Cain 14, Bader 1, Daza 1

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Judge Jude View Post
                                "if nothing that occurs can ever be seen as contrary to a confirmed consensus, a lot of people are not going to see that as very, well, scientific."

                                maybe it would help you if you take it generally, and not just for climate change.

                                I think B-Fly already has grasped the point.
                                The consensus is already there from a scientific standpoint. Why would highlighting specific events (i.e. data points) that contradict the scientific consensus do anything other than further add to the misinformation that is already ubiquitous?
                                If DMT didn't exist we would have to invent it. There has to be a weirdest thing. Once we have the concept weird, there has to be a weirdest thing. And DMT is simply it.
                                - Terence McKenna

                                Bullshit is everywhere. - George Carlin (& Jon Stewart)

                                How old would you be if you didn't know how old you are? - Satchel Paige

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