Obviously this is complicated by the trade rules and MIN's desire to shed Dieng as well, but maybe Philly sends Fultz, Chandler, Bayless and two first round picks for Butler and Dieng? From Minnesota's perspective, they get a potential star in Fultz and two first rounders and shed players they need to offload, and Philly avoids the problem that Simmons and Fultz don't mesh while adding players in Butler and Dieng that could more than close the gap between them and Toronto/Boston/(Milwaukee).
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Rather disappointing return, but it's to be expected I guess. What with the way that Butler has burned his bridges. It'll be fascinating to see if he tries to dominate Embild like he did KAT.
According to Shams Charania of The Athletic, Minnesota has traded Jimmy Butler and Justin Patton to Philadelphia in exchange for Robert Covington, Dario Saric, Jerryd Bayless and a 2022 second-round draft pick.Last edited by Hornsby; 11-10-2018, 01:25 PM."Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake."
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Originally posted by B-Fly View PostI think Covington and Saric are good. Should have gotten a first round draft pick though."Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake."
- Napoleon Bonaparte (1769-1821)
"Your shitty future continues to offend me."
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I actually think it’s a good return. Saric and Covington are on great contracts and will help the Wolves considerably now as well as in the future. They’re not sexy names but they’re underrated, unselfish contributors. Butler’s injury history (not to mention how many minutes he’s played) can’t be underestimated and then there’s his attitude and the way he’s behaved recently. Plus the fact that he may be a rental (and/or a grossly overpaid max player in a couple of years).
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All of you T'Wolves fans realize that Thibs is destroying your team right? This was a last-ditch trade of one of the best players in the NBA for role players because the coach is crazy (and always has been). The latest (and final) complaint from Butler on being forced to play 40+ mins a night was by far the most telling and to me the main reason why Butler needed to put on so many antics to get out of there. Thibs runs his players into the ground. This is not disputed. He has the most extreme minute rotations in the NBA.
Thibs is the worst coach in the NBA, and thats with guys like Brooks and Bickerstaff out there. A different coach and this team still together and growing. (apologies if you already knew Thibs was the worst thing to ever happen to Minnesota basketball).
As far as Philly...I worry how a ball-dominant G/F will mesh with what they have there. Not enough shooters from my POV. Seems like Covington was the better fit for that team, but NBA front offices have to go and get their "Big 3" to feel like they have a chance to compete.
ETA: How does Minny not get a single significant draft pick in a deal for Butler? They could have had 3-4 from Houston...heck they could have had Josh Richardson for him! Head scratcher!Last edited by Pauly; 11-12-2018, 09:47 AM.
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Originally posted by Pauly View PostAll of you T'Wolves fans realize that Thibs is destroying your team right? This was a last-ditch trade of one of the best players in the NBA for role players because the coach is crazy (and always has been). The latest (and final) complaint from Butler on being forced to play 40+ mins a night was by far the most telling and to me the main reason why Butler needed to put on so many antics to get out of there. Thibs runs his players into the ground. This is not disputed. He has the most extreme minute rotations in the NBA.
Thibs is the worst coach in the NBA, and thats with guys like Brooks and Bickerstaff out there. A different coach and this team still together and growing. (apologies if you already knew Thibs was the worst thing to ever happen to Minnesota basketball).
As far as Philly...I worry how a ball-dominant G/F will mesh with what they have there. Not enough shooters from my POV. Seems like Covington was the better fit for that team, but NBA front offices have to go and get their "Big 3" to feel like they have a chance to compete.
ETA: How does Minny not get a single significant draft pick in a deal for Butler? They could have had 3-4 from Houston...heck they could have had Josh Richardson for him! Head scratcher!
As far as picks go, the Wolves likely would have screwed those up as well..."Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake."
- Napoleon Bonaparte (1769-1821)
"Your shitty future continues to offend me."
-Warren Ellis
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Originally posted by Pauly View PostAs far as Philly...I worry how a ball-dominant G/F will mesh with what they have there. Not enough shooters from my POV. Seems like Covington was the better fit for that team, but NBA front offices have to go and get their "Big 3" to feel like they have a chance to compete.
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Originally posted by B-Fly View PostButler, Covington and Saric all set to debut for their new teams tonight, and Butler appears primed to secure G/F flex eligibility in CBS leagues tonight, to boot."Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake."
- Napoleon Bonaparte (1769-1821)
"Your shitty future continues to offend me."
-Warren Ellis
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Originally posted by Hornsby View PostMan, after 2 games, I LOVE this deal for the Wolves. Totally different vibe on the team, they're playing together, having fun, and actually running sets instead of 1 on 5's. Covington is a beast defensively, and Saric is very quietly effective. I know that it's only been 2 games, but it's really a different team. Wiggins suddenly looks like the player that they thought they drafted #1...I'm not expecting to grow flowers in the desert...
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Originally posted by heyelander View PostGlad it's working out. Both guys are easy to root for. Both hustle, do all the little things and seem to be great team mates. I miss both out them. That said, butler is saying ask the right things, the fans are behind him, and he gives the team a closer when the offense bogs down. Good deal for both teams maybe."Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake."
- Napoleon Bonaparte (1769-1821)
"Your shitty future continues to offend me."
-Warren Ellis
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