Abortion Discussion Thread

[Bene Futuis]

Not a single person truly, honestly believes that abortion is the same as murdering a live child - and I can prove it!

Imagine this situation:

A man is sitting in the waiting room of a fertility clinic when suddenly he sees smoke emerging from one of the rooms in the back. It's a fire and it's spreading quickly. He jumps up and rushes into the room where he saw the smoke. Upon entry, he sees the room quickly being engulfed in flames. And, unfortunately, there is a little six year old girl cowering in the corner of one side of the room, afraid to move. On the other side of the room are 1,000 vials labeled "viable, fertilized human embryos". He only has time to save one before the room is consumed by fire. Which does he choose?

I'll tell you what he chooses: he chooses the live girl every single damn time because he would be an absolute monster not to. It could be 100 embryos or a million - doesn't matter, because embryos are not the same as live humans. Anyone who tells you different is a liar or a sociopath.


(And yes, I kind of stole this from somewhere else, but it really got me a thinkin')

[Bene Futuis]

Texas essentially just shadow banned abortion in their state. SCOTUS sat on their hands, didn't respond at all to a challenge lawsuit, and the GOP bill banning abortions beyond six weeks, placing bounties on people's heads who participate in any way with an abortion, etc.....all that just went into effect.

[heyelander]

Saw a tweet that said "It's pretty wild that Covid currently has more reproductive rights in Texas than every woman in Texas"

[Bene Futuis]

Saw a tweet that said "It's pretty wild that Covid currently has more reproductive rights in Texas than every woman in Texas"

Let's talk about the elephant in the womb.

[MagSeven]

Since there is supposed to be a separation of church and state, I don't appreciate pro-life advocates saying abortion goes against the bible. If that's the case, then the abortion is between that woman and God, and no person on this earth should decide for her. This country was not founded based on Christianity. Many citizens belong to a faith that doesn't believe that abortion is wrong or right; for instance, the Jewish faith. What about atheists? How can we effectively outlaw something that is plainly based on 'Christian values'?
We don't give fetuses names or social security numbers until they are actually delivered. Pro-like advocates never have a plan to take care of the additional children born as a result of their stance. Healthcare? Food? Education? Never a response from them. Pro-life is not pro-life; its actually anti-abortion. These people don't give a rats ass about what happens to these children, which is typical of their overall beliefs.

[In the Corn]

Since there is supposed to be a separation of church and state, I don't appreciate pro-life advocates saying abortion goes against the bible. If that's the case, then the abortion is between that woman and God, and no person on this earth should decide for her. This country was not founded based on Christianity. Many citizens belong to a faith that doesn't believe that abortion is wrong or right; for instance, the Jewish faith. What about atheists? How can we effectively outlaw something that is plainly based on 'Christian values'?
We don't give fetuses names or social security numbers until they are actually delivered. Pro-like advocates never have a plan to take care of the additional children born as a result of their stance. Healthcare? Food? Education? Never a response from them. Pro-life is not pro-life; its actually anti-abortion. These people don't give a rats ass about what happens to these children, which is typical of their overall beliefs.

This is a pretty broad brush, especially your last statement.

I'll be very upfront and say that as a Christian, I struggle with abortion, and to be honest, I would struggle with it even without my faith. IMO, abortion ends a viable life, and we have no idea what that life could have done, good or bad for their family, community, or society. I'm a believer that keeping abortion legal is very important. It is not an easy decision for woman to make, and many woman talk about the scars they care emotionally from the abortion. However, providing a safe place for this to happen (as we know it will continue to happen), is of the utmost importance.

Let's also look and see that faith as instituted a lot of great charity work. Many, many hospitals were started by religious groups. Many of the relief groups that are help in disaster recover were started by religious groups. So please, don't think that people of faith "don't give a rat's ass about what happens to these children", as clearly they do a lot of good work. I won't disagree that some of their political beliefs are backwards, and antithetical to the Bible, but as we see the church get younger, we are seeing more mercy and grace from it's leaders in their discussion of faith.

And to be clear, the Texas law is abhorrent. Imagine being an Uber driver and picking up someone and unwittingly taking the woman to have an abortion and now facing a $10,000 judgement. Ridiculous and vindictive.

[Bene Futuis]

[GwynnInTheHall]

Pretty much spot on.

[Gregg]

And yet if I climb a tree and take an Eagle egg I can be fined $5000.00 and get two years in jail. $250,000 and 10 years if it is a felony.

[Sour Masher]

And yet if I climb a tree and take an Eagle egg I can be fined $5000.00 and get two years in jail. $250,000 and 10 years if it is a felony.

You're yolking, right?

[MagSeven]

https://www.tiktok.com/@reconguru2.0/video/7003754685136129285?is_copy_url=1&is_from_webapp=v1

George Carlin on pro-life conservatives.

[Bene Futuis]

Six week embryos are the size of a pomegranate and do not have a heart. The heartbeat bill concept, predictably, is based totally off of a lie by religious extremists. The sound you hear is the machine itself.

[Mithrandir]

Six week embryos are the size of a pomegranate and do not have a heart. The heartbeat bill concept, predictably, is based totally off of a lie by religious extremists. The sound you hear is the machine itself.

Where did you get your info as it appears to be wrong.

https://www.webmd.com/baby/interactive-pregnancy-tool-fetal-development?week=6

[Bene Futuis]

Texas sharia law restricting reproductive rights also does not provide exceptions for women victimized by rape or incest. Their right wing nut job Governor said that’s just fine, since they are working to prevent future rapes, presumably Minority Report style.

Clown party strikes again.

[MagSeven]

Texas sharia law restricting reproductive rights also does not provide exceptions for women victimized by rape or incest. Their right wing nut job Governor said that’s just fine, since they are working to prevent future rapes, presumably Minority Report style.

Clown party strikes again.

In 2019, Texas led the country in the number of reported rapes. 9 of 10 rapes were done by family or an acquaintance. Those Texas boys definitely know how to take care of their women. Gonna be a lot of dads and brothers being taken off the streets.