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Champagne for breakfast and a Sherman in my hand !
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The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.
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Originally posted by Gregg View Post
In one of your articles it mentioned that 119 people were detained and tortured. Horrible. It stated that 26 were innocent. Beyond horrible. What of the other 93? Did they get the information needed to prevent more attacks and save innocent lives? Still horrible. Did it work? How many lives were saved?
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The Senate Intelligence Committee found that the detainee who provided key information did so before he was submitted to enhanced interrogation. The CIA questions that account.
A former senior interrogator in Iraq says that abusing prisoners results in unreliable information, costs American lives, and it still hasn’t turned up Bin Laden.
As the senior interrogator in Iraq for a task force charged with hunting down Abu Musab Al Zarqawi, the former Al Qaida leader and mass murderer, I listened time and time again to captured foreign fighters cite the torture and abuse at Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo as their main reason for coming to Iraq to fight. Consider that 90 percent of the suicide bombers in Iraq are these foreign fighters and you can easily conclude that we have lost hundreds, if not thousands, of American lives because of our policy of torture and abuse.---------------------------------------------
Champagne for breakfast and a Sherman in my hand !
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The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.
George Orwell, 1984
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Originally posted by Gregg View PostSo make no mistake, I am not supporting the actions of torture.Is it ever necessary? Should it be the absolute last resort in a time sensitive defense? While I cannot barely read about acts of torture, could I imagine some instances where as terrible as it is to say, probably.
In one of your articles it mentioned that 119 people were detained and tortured. Horrible. It stated that 26 were innocent. Beyond horrible. What of the other 93? Did they get the information needed to prevent more attacks and save innocent lives? Still horrible. Did it work? How many lives were saved?
And it has back-fired on us and cost us in our standing in the world on human rights, which certainly wasn't perfect pre-Bush/Cheney but was a far sight better than it is now, and in our ability to insist on humane treatment for own troops and the troops of our allies when they are captured.
So even if you want to ignore morality (which troubles me deeply that so many Christians are so quick to want to do), in the purely pragmatic sense it was a disaster, too."Jesus said to them, 'Truly I tell you, the tax collectors and the prostitutes are going into the kingdom of God ahead of you.'"
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Originally posted by Kevin Seitzer View PostThe sad fact is that no, no information was gathered to prevent more attacks. No, it did not work, and lives were not saved. It was done for the sake of revenge and cruelty and sadism alone.
And it has back-fired on us and cost us in our standing in the world on human rights, which certainly wasn't perfect pre-Bush/Cheney but was a far sight better than it is now, and in our ability to insist on humane treatment for own troops and the troops of our allies when they are captured.
So even if you want to ignore morality (which troubles me deeply that so many Christians are so quick to want to do), in the purely pragmatic sense it was a disaster, too.---------------------------------------------
Champagne for breakfast and a Sherman in my hand !
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The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.
George Orwell, 1984
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Champagne for breakfast and a Sherman in my hand !
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The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.
George Orwell, 1984
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