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    I've seen some scary predictions about this, I really hope it is outliers and scaremongering. If I read correctly it went form one case in early December to 70,000 cases today.
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    Originally posted by The Feral Slasher View Post
    I've seen some scary predictions about this, I really hope it is outliers and scaremongering. If I read correctly it went form one case in early December to 70,000 cases today.
    Yeah, it seems to be spreading fast, but I've read the rate is slowing. My wife has a student who's father died of this. He was working in Wuhan. It is still statistically less dangerous than the flu in the US, but of course that can change if containment efforts fail. But people are working hard to stop that from happening.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Sour Masher View Post
      Yeah, it seems to be spreading fast, but I've read the rate is slowing. My wife has a student who's father died of this. He was working in Wuhan. It is still statistically less dangerous than the flu in the US, but of course that can change if containment efforts fail. But people are working hard to stop that from happening.
      I really hope so. There is an emergency center set up about half a mile from my house. But i dont think it can treat more than 10 or 20 people
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      • #4
        Originally posted by The Feral Slasher View Post
        I really hope so. There is an emergency center set up about half a mile from my house. But i dont think it can treat more than 10 or 20 people
        I actually had to change my walking route since they moved in tents and rv's
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        The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.
        George Orwell, 1984

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        • #5
          Originally posted by The Feral Slasher View Post
          I actually had to change my walking route since they moved in tents and rv's
          nullnor?
          "Jesus said to them, 'Truly I tell you, the tax collectors and the prostitutes are going into the kingdom of God ahead of you.'"

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Kevin Seitzer View Post
            nullnor?
            Did he have an Xbox controller?
            If I whisper my wicked marching orders into the ether with no regard to where or how they may bear fruit, I am blameless should a broken spirit carry those orders out upon the innocent, for it was not my hand that took the action merely my lips which let slip their darkest wish. ~Daniel Devereaux 2011

            Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.
            Martin Luther King, Jr.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by GwynnInTheHall View Post
              Did he have an Xbox controller?
              Are you demanding an answer?

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Ken View Post
                Are you demanding an answer?
                That would be childish.
                If I whisper my wicked marching orders into the ether with no regard to where or how they may bear fruit, I am blameless should a broken spirit carry those orders out upon the innocent, for it was not my hand that took the action merely my lips which let slip their darkest wish. ~Daniel Devereaux 2011

                Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.
                Martin Luther King, Jr.

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                • #9
                  Not that the NY Post is all that credible, but this is a scary account. The virus may have escaped from the lab, because scientists sell experimemt animals to street vendors?!

                  https://nypost.com/2020/02/22/dont-b...rom-a-lab/amp/

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Sour Masher View Post
                    Not that the NY Post is all that credible, but this is a scary account. The virus may have escaped from the lab, because scientists sell experimemt animals to street vendors?!

                    https://nypost.com/2020/02/22/dont-b...rom-a-lab/amp/
                    Italy and South Korea with significant outbreaks.



                    Wow. The Archbishop of Milan orders the suspension of Masses due to coronavirus.
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                    Champagne for breakfast and a Sherman in my hand !
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                    The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.
                    George Orwell, 1984

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                    • #11
                      Here's an unsurprising yet, horrifying bit of info



                      Trump “told advisers he does not want the administration to do or say anything that would further spook the markets. He remains worried that any large-scale outbreak could hurt his reelection bid”

                      Public health takes a backseat to politics
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                      Champagne for breakfast and a Sherman in my hand !
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                      The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.
                      George Orwell, 1984

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                      • #12
                        it didn't escape from a lab. it's natural. you can tell by sequencing the genes and finding the mutations and comparing it to it's cousins in the wild.

                        that should actually be comforting to people worried about man made pathogens. you can tell scientifically when it's man made. there are no pathogens in the wild that are man made yet. there was a paper in the journal of virology recently about how they proved it was natural.

                        the real concern is that this virus is an unknown. it's SARS or MERS with less mortality but more contagiousness. it's dangerous guys. this is a lethal virus that became less less lethal but more contagious. it's an unknown. but it still has the basic features. it can, if allowed, infect deep in the lungs and cause pneumonia.

                        i am learning a few new things too. in 1918 our health care was shit. and it's much better today. but there's a few things that are concerning. the number of intensive care beds. obviously China didn't have enough, that's why they built a hospital in Wuhan in record time. they didn't have enough beds. they say 25% of patients need intensive care. so do the math.

                        so perhaps, like 1918, they actually had the tools or resources to save more lives, but they didn't have the beds. that's why when you see pictures of patients in makeshift hospitals it looks like a homeless shelter.

                        the most troubling thing about this entire thing has been the worlds response. this may or may not be a pandemic. but the one true thing you've seen is how, in the future, the response will be similar. it shouldn't be a surprise if you know a little history.

                        1) when a pandemic happens it will come from China
                        2) you'll get less information, and by the time it's spilled over it will be too late to contain it.
                        3) the WHO will back China up or any other country due to politics.
                        4) news outlets will be focused totally on ancillary things, like politics, stock markets, rumors, luxury cruise ships, pop culture, and even when they to find answers they'll be distracted by bad science.

                        this whole episode isn't the end of humanity, what did Winston Churchill say? it's not even the beginning of the end. but the end of the beginning? the reckless use of antibiotics in farm animals. the dumping of expired medications down the toilet. the close proximity of increasingly diseased animals from a polluted environment.

                        if nature was an adversary, and she's not, but she's been saying the same thing her whole life.

                        our species or life on this very planet started or wouldn't be here if it wasn't for viruses. viruses inserted the genes in mammals that allowed us to have a placenta and give birth.

                        if you want to abuse the environment, because we have to too survive, don't be surprised when there is some blowback from nature. sure we can make a vaccine. we can do amazing shit. we can find mosquito's that spread the west nile virus and alter it's reproductive gene and attempt to kill the species. we are good at extinction. not so much intentionally, heh.

                        as a species, we can do all that. it doesn't mean i feel comfortable going to war with nature. with something that created us and over millions of years developed.

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                        • #13
                          pop quiz: what was the book GW said he was reading when Katrina happened.

                          answer: a book on the 1918 spanish flu

                          maybe he'll be the last US president that was concerned about a pandemic?

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                          • #14
                            i've always been interested in science, whether it was astronomy or biology. i only passed 3 courses in 3 years in high school, english, gym and astronomy. i definitely was a little educated before i read the popular pop-culture book pandemic by Sonia Shaw. on my RV table i am currently trying to read Viruses, more friends than foes by Karen Moelling. that was an expensive book, $70. only about 350 pages. it's the real deal though. i moved on from reading about cosmology or astronomy because they had nothing left to teach me. after a while it's the same stuff. you've earned your chops.

                            shit i was there in the 80's when the mimi virus was discovered. a virus with DNA that was bigger than bacteria. that was a big deal back then. you know you could travel in a boat and scoop up a cup of water and discover a new virus every time. there are more viruses on earth then there are stars in the sky.

                            so as i live as a recluse in my RV, pissing in empty 2.5 gallon empty oil containers and shit in a plastic bag in a bucket, while contemplating getting a job after graduating from the worst HVAC school in the country; i cuddle with my stray cat at night wondering what to watch on my computer going to bed. i mostly watch WW2 documentary stuff. i am not really a war guy. i just would rather watch non-fiction. in a month i have no idea where my life will be. the guy i rent land from to park my RV could be dead from cancer. maybe i'll find a job and move. my goal is to have my own farm somewhere someday. i'd like to own a donkey and goat and pigs. that's something i would be good at. managing all those different personalities.

                            if you want to watch non-fiction videos on pandemics you could do a lot worse than Sonia Shaw. i actually prefer science journalists than actual scientist. except when they are both.



                            Interweaving history, original reportage, and personal narrative, Pandemic explores the origins of epidemics, drawing parallels between the story of cholera-...


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                            • #15
                              Hopefully Coronavirus won't get much of a foothold in America (or anywhere else), but if it does I wonder if it may play into the election healthcare discussions.


                              The coronavirus story will also become a health-insurance story in America. This guy went to China, caught the flu, came back, did the responsible thing and reported himself for possible coronavirus — but tested negative and now might have to pay $1,400+.
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                              Champagne for breakfast and a Sherman in my hand !
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                              The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.
                              George Orwell, 1984

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