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    There's been quite a bit of aggressive vitriol lately from a handful of people stating they're ready to take up arms if Trump is Impeached, removed or otherwise deprived of a second term. Add to that the lack of professional decorum being displayed in the White House and now parts of congress and top that off with Lawyers representing our elected officials stating as if it's a fact that the President can do ANYTHING he wants to include murdering someone....And we have to realistically ask ourselves... Is there an actual chance in hell that should Trump be impeached, removed, indicted or just not re-elected--That some people will actually pick up their gu7ns and take to the streets in an attempt to keep him in power?

    I'd LOVE to say Not a chance, no way--but with each passing day and the rhetoric spewing from Trump and those who support him, I am truly fearful shit's gonna get real bad here soon and I mean-Trumpies with guns going after anyone who opposes them. Of course if this happens some idiot Antifa wannabe is likely to fight back and then we're in store for the ugly side of all of this.

    Thoughts?
    If I whisper my wicked marching orders into the ether with no regard to where or how they may bear fruit, I am blameless should a broken spirit carry those orders out upon the innocent, for it was not my hand that took the action merely my lips which let slip their darkest wish. ~Daniel Devereaux 2011

    Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.
    Martin Luther King, Jr.

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    I would say you're 100% correct.

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    • #3
      I don’t see anything close to that happening.

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      • #4
        It's a interesting thing to roll around in your mind ... but typically these scenarios are treated as riots / criminal acts; eventually law enforcement gets involved & the actors are arrested & things settle down.

        Where it gets scary tho is if there's a reasonable chance of law enforcement and/or factions within the military supporting these uprisings. And that's a scenario that I can see as almost likely if things head down this path.
        It certainly feels that way. But I'm distrustful of that feeling and am curious about evidence.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by nots View Post
          I don’t see anything close to that happening.
          is that because you see law enforcement upholding the law should a few crazies get motivated to do some stupid shit? Or that you don't think that there are any crazies out there?
          It certainly feels that way. But I'm distrustful of that feeling and am curious about evidence.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by TranaGreg View Post
            is that because you see law enforcement upholding the law should a few crazies get motivated to do some stupid shit? Or that you don't think that there are any crazies out there?
            People talk a lot on Twitter and the internet and puff out their chests, but it almost always turns out to be idle threats by keyboard warriors. After the 2016 election there were protests and even some riots (Oakland and Portland) and law enforcement stepped in and eventually the situations were diffused. I suspect the exact same thing will happen again regardless of whether or not Trump loses or the Blue team loses. Some isolated vandalism, maybe a riot or two, but I think visions of rednecks running around shooting people because Trump lost is hyperbolic.

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            • #7
              I'm sure there would be some crazies, with some isolated incidents, but I can't see how it would be dramatically different from how those same crazies reacted to Obama's election.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by nots View Post
                People talk a lot on Twitter and the internet and puff out their chests, but it almost always turns out to be idle threats by keyboard warriors. After the 2016 election there were protests and even some riots (Oakland and Portland) and law enforcement stepped in and eventually the situations were diffused. I suspect the exact same thing will happen again regardless of whether or not Trump loses or the Blue team loses. Some isolated vandalism, maybe a riot or two, but I think visions of rednecks running around shooting people because Trump lost is hyperbolic.
                Agreed.
                If DMT didn't exist we would have to invent it. There has to be a weirdest thing. Once we have the concept weird, there has to be a weirdest thing. And DMT is simply it.
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                • #9
                  I think it will be really tough for any of the militia to really unite and coordinate something that couldn't be tamped down my the military and the reserves.

                  I don't get the impression from what is out there right now about many of the previous military leaders that Trump has a whole lot of top generals who he can enlist to have the military keep him in power.
                  "Looks like I picked a bad day to give up sniffing glue.
                  - Steven McCrosky (Lloyd Bridges) in Airplane

                  i have epiphanies like that all the time. for example i was watching a basketball game today and realized pom poms are like a pair of tits. there's 2 of them. they're round. they shake. women play with them. thus instead of having two, cheerleaders have four boobs.
                  - nullnor, speaking on immigration law in AZ.

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                  • #10
                    Yeah, I agree with the consensus. The only time stuff gets really scary is when those trained and equipped to keep the peace and engage in war decide to back the rogue element. Despite some of those folks liking Trump, I don't see that happening. So yeah, definitely some small scale riots, some isolated cases of violence, but in the end, not wide spread or large organized movements and not as much of it as Trump would hope for (I have no doubt he'd take pride and joy in folks going out to commit violence to keep him in office).

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Sour Masher View Post
                      The only time stuff gets really scary is when those trained and equipped to keep the peace and engage in war decide to back the rogue element.
                      Exactly. For this to happen you'd need a) an overwhelmingly large portion of those individuals to be in support of the rogue element, and b) those same individuals willing to do the opposite of their directive, which is to uphold the law and maintain peace.

                      Complain all you want about their conservative leaning political views, but the police and military can be boiled down to strict rule based ethics and order following. That's in direct contrast to (b).

                      And as far as supporting the cause, I'd bet that it's closer to 60-40 or 70-30 in those groups rather than an overwhelming majority. I wish I had something more recent, but here's an article about active military support of Trump - when written last year, approval and disapproval were basically neck and neck -- https://www.militarytimes.com/news/p...ew-poll-shows/

                      Was there ever an issue with law enforcement not following their directives in the Bundy standoffs? That's the most recent "militia" type situation I can think of.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Ken View Post
                        Exactly. For this to happen you'd need a) an overwhelmingly large portion of those individuals to be in support of the rogue element, and b) those same individuals willing to do the opposite of their directive, which is to uphold the law and maintain peace.

                        Complain all you want about their conservative leaning political views, but the police and military can be boiled down to strict rule based ethics and order following. That's in direct contrast to (b).
                        ...
                        Just on this point, it's not as black and white as it seems tho - often in these situations uprisings are positioned as upholding the constitution or whatever it is ... you know, the whole "true patriot" angle. So people don't view themselves as breaking the law, rather they view themselves as guardians of the constitution, and that they are the only ones standing up for the country.

                        I'm hopeful that this would be a really tiny percentage as well.
                        It certainly feels that way. But I'm distrustful of that feeling and am curious about evidence.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by TranaGreg View Post
                          Just on this point, it's not as black and white as it seems tho - often in these situations uprisings are positioned as upholding the constitution or whatever it is ... you know, the whole "true patriot" angle. So people don't view themselves as breaking the law, rather they view themselves as guardians of the constitution, and that they are the only ones standing up for the country.

                          I'm hopeful that this would be a really tiny percentage as well.
                          Yeah I hear what you are saying but that sounds like something out of a movie script - are there recent examples of this happening on a large scale?

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Ken View Post
                            Yeah I hear what you are saying but that sounds like something out of a movie script - are there recent examples of this happening on a large scale?
                            fair point ... I was thinking of third world countries historically ...not sure there are any examples in a first world setting. And ultimately this is why this won't come to pass IMO - the majority of folks are well fed, have houses and cars ... most won't risk everything for a principle.
                            It certainly feels that way. But I'm distrustful of that feeling and am curious about evidence.

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                            • #15
                              the unite the right rally, charlottesville, va, from aug. 11 - aug. 12th 2017. there was open fighting in the streets, armed militia types in uniform and confederate and nazi flags/symbols + signage openly chanting racist and antisemetic garbage as well as dozens of instances of violence on small scale, besides the death there were instances of people getting pepper sprayed, attacked with bats, etc.

                              The police were around, visible, but in ordered stand down mode. The real law enforcement was taken out of equation.

                              This was small scale, but it is that easy, it only takes say the governor of a red state to say to hell with these people trying to take down my president. Gov can issue a stand down to all law enforcement, tell them to go home and watch after their families. At same time he can back channel that the coast is clear for whatever to happen to these unamerican scum who want to invalidate the election by going after trump. nothing need to be explicit, just the opening is enough for a cascading effect to occur.

                              if this happens same day that trump is impeached, or say, trump loses election but declares results invalid because he says cheating occurred, never mind truth, this would be that day so many have been waiting for like the ump, if not actually prepped for and this is not far fetched that there is more than 1 gun for every person in this country.

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