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  • What is your single biggest worry/fear of Trump?

    We all know that there are many. But if you had to choose just one, what would that be?

  • #2
    Originally posted by Gregg View Post
    We all know that there are many. But if you had to choose just one, what would that be?
    That he starts a war to win re-election.
    If DMT didn't exist we would have to invent it. There has to be a weirdest thing. Once we have the concept weird, there has to be a weirdest thing. And DMT is simply it.
    - Terence McKenna

    Bullshit is everywhere. - George Carlin (& Jon Stewart)

    How old would you be if you didn't know how old you are? - Satchel Paige

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    • #3
      Just one? It's hard to say anything other than recklessly escalating an international dick-measuring contest into a nuclear/biological/chemical war. But I'll instead say that my single biggest fear would be that he ultimately undermines/refuses/precludes the peaceful transition of power at whatever point his presidency would/should conclude.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by B-Fly View Post
        my single biggest fear would be that he ultimately undermines/refuses/precludes the peaceful transition of power at whatever point his presidency would/should conclude.
        Could you expand on this a bit? I am sure I am not understanding this as intended.

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        • #5
          DMT and B-Fly named my top two--both I think are real possibilities, the latter especially so if the 2020 election ends up close. I'll add to the list that I fear Trump represents a long term devolution of the Republican party, with future candidates embracing his playbook to win, continuing to divide our country and making it a global mockery of our ideals and what we could be.

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          • #6
            My fear has always been his unbelievable recklessness that gets cheered on by his unwitting base. It would be hard to argue, unfortunately, that this hasn't already come to fruition.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Gregg View Post
              Could you expand on this a bit? I am sure I am not understanding this as intended.
              What has been great about the US is that even after very hotly contested and even disputed elections, the outgoing president has supported the smooth transition of power to the newly elected president/administration. I worry that Trump would refuse to accept the "truth" of a negative election result, and/or might cite some presumed security crisis that would make transition of power too "dangerous", and might refuse to cooperate in a transition of power.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Gregg View Post
                Could you expand on this a bit? I am sure I am not understanding this as intended.
                I took it to me that he will do what he planned to do if he lost to HRC. He will immediately, without evidence, claim the election is a sham and that he only lost because of cheating by Democrats. He will then feel out response from his base. In the very worst case scenario, he will think he has enough support to reject the election results and continue to hold office. In the more likely scenario, he continues to insight unrest and a dangerous sense that his voters have been robbed and mistreated, and that the new government is a farce. He may do this with his own news network, continuing his fight to erode confidence in any leader other than himself. He need not start such a network though, since Fox News seems happy to be his propaganda mouthpiece, so maybe he will just partner with them or Breitbart.

                What is clear about Trump is that he cares little about what is true. He cares more about public response and how he can control the message. If he really thought he could stay in power despite losing the election, I believe he would try.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Sour Masher View Post
                  DMT and B-Fly named my top two--both I think are real possibilities, the latter especially so if the 2020 election ends up close. I'll add to the list that I fear Trump represents a long term devolution of the Republican party, with future candidates embracing his playbook to win, continuing to divide our country and making it a global mockery of our ideals and what we could be.
                  Three very strong responses so far. I agree with SM on the bolded part, but once Trump goes away, I suspect those who still identify as Republicans will reject another candidate that espouses Trumpian politics. Many of us Never Trumpers have moved to the independent column and maybe a Romney type candidate could bring us back. Another Trump will leave many of us disenfranchised and searching for a moderate Democrat or a viable third party candidate.

                  My fear is that the discourse will lead to more physical violence between far right and far left factions. A civil war of sorts between the two major tribes.
                  I know in my heart that man is good. That what is right will always eventually triumph and there is purpose and worth to each and every life.

                  Ronald Reagan

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Sour Masher View Post
                    He will immediately, without evidence, claim the election is a sham and that he only lost because of cheating by Democrats. He will then feel out response from his base. In the very worst case scenario, he will think he has enough support to reject the election results and continue to hold office. In the more likely scenario, he continues to insight unrest and a dangerous sense that his voters have been robbed and mistreated, and that the new government is a farce. He may do this with his own news network, continuing his fight to erode confidence in any leader other than himself.
                    And now for the snarky comment of the day. If you change he to she and Democrats to Republicans, well, we know how that plays out!
                    I know in my heart that man is good. That what is right will always eventually triumph and there is purpose and worth to each and every life.

                    Ronald Reagan

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Bernie Brewer View Post
                      Three very strong responses so far. I agree with SM on the bolded part, but once Trump goes away, I suspect those who still identify as Republicans will reject another candidate that espouses Trumpian politics. Many of us Never Trumpers have moved to the independent column and maybe a Romney type candidate could bring us back. Another Trump will leave many of us disenfranchised and searching for a moderate Democrat or a viable third party candidate.

                      My fear is that the discourse will lead to more physical violence between far right and far left factions. A civil war of sorts between the two major tribes.
                      I hope you are right Bernie. I hope Trump ends up being a one off for the GOP. I think your last fear can be avoided, if Trump is out in 2020. But I don't know how much longer such a thing would be avoided if he or someone like him is in power in 2020.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Bernie Brewer View Post
                        And now for the snarky comment of the day. If you change he to she and Democrats to Republicans, well we know how that plays out!
                        I knew this was coming. I won't get into it, but HRC talking with her little voice well after the election poses no danger to our democracy. Trump will not take such a meek tact. If the GOP and his supporters support him, he will attempt to keep power and it could lead to civil discord and the sort of violence you fear.

                        ETA: Bernie, sometimes I think you are two posters. On the one hand, you are quick to denounce Trump and express your desire for the GOP to move away from him. On the other, you seem to not be able to help normalizing him by pointing out how his behavior and words are not so far off the opposition. I continue to maintain that comparing Trump to anyone, Dem or Repub, is a false equivalency and a dangerous one, because it normalizes him. It suggests he is just another politician, more crass, more boorish, sure, but just a slightly worse version of what we always get. I think he is so many steps beyond the normal, we need to avoid any comparisons that normalize him or his behavior. Save that for everyone else. Fight back the urge when it comes to Trump--it is a dangerous thing to do, because it makes him seem not so very different/bad from a normal/acceptable leader.
                        Last edited by Sour Masher; 10-30-2018, 09:46 AM.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Bernie Brewer View Post
                          ...My fear is that the discourse will lead to more physical violence between far right and far left factions. A civil war of sorts between the two major tribes.
                          This is mine as well. I'm concerned that he continues to give legitimacy to the small group of extremists that previously skulked in the shadows, and now are increasingly emboldened to speak out. And that in doing so they manage to convince an additional group of middle-of-the-roaders that their worst fears of "others" are real & need to be addressed, leading to more feeling the need to take matters into their own hands (on both sides). And a chain reaction / downward spiral is triggered which can't be stopped.
                          It certainly feels that way. But I'm distrustful of that feeling and am curious about evidence.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Sour Masher View Post
                            I knew this was coming. I won't get into it, but HRC talking with her little voice well after the election poses no danger to our democracy. Trump will not take such a meek tact. If the GOP and his supporters support him, he will attempt to keep power and it could lead to civil discord and the sort of violence you fear.
                            The part that doesn’t work in my snarky response is the “continue to hold office” or “retain power” part. And, I understand this is a bit of a false equivalence but my point is that many of Dems and Dem voters were very quick to attempt to delegitimize the election results. And, in many respects continue that today.
                            I know in my heart that man is good. That what is right will always eventually triumph and there is purpose and worth to each and every life.

                            Ronald Reagan

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Bernie Brewer View Post
                              And now for the snarky comment of the day. If you change he to she and Democrats to Republicans, well, we know how that plays out!
                              sounds a lot like the democrat RESIST!™ playbook.
                              "The Times found no pattern of sexual misconduct by Mr. Biden, beyond the hugs, kisses and touching that women previously said made them uncomfortable." -NY Times

                              "For a woman to come forward in the glaring lights of focus, nationally, you’ve got to start off with the presumption that at least the essence of what she’s talking about is real, whether or not she forgets facts" - Joe Biden

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