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Originally posted by Hornsby View PostSo, what would you have had him to do today? Just today, not in the past...--------------------------------------
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There is no way he could have effectively done his job with these allegations hanging over him, exacerbated by the magnitude of the hypocrisy of his previous advocacy. Resigning seems like the only logical thing to do. I suppose, if there are no mechanisms in place that would have forced him out (I really don't know--are there none?), he deserves some credit for quickly relinquishing his position rather than clinging to it, as some politicians have done. But then, if the allegations are true, any credit due him is undercut by the fact that he insisted he is being forced out unjustly.
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Originally posted by Hi.I'm.Mandy View PostI think what he may have done in the past is much more significant than what he did today. if i find out in 10 years that somebody beat up my daughter I won't really care of they resign from whatever job they may have"Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake."
- Napoleon Bonaparte (1769-1821)
"Your shitty future continues to offend me."
-Warren Ellis
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Originally posted by Hornsby View PostIt may be more significant, and his behavior in the past was abhorrent, but that still doesn't answer my question, what would you have him do today?--------------------------------------
You know a girl in a hat is just so…vogue.
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Originally posted by Hi.I'm.Mandy View PostI don't think what he did today even matters, not sure why you think it does. if he abused women he is a criminal and should be prosecutedd, if he didn't i don't think it makes sense to resign.--------------------------------------
You know a girl in a hat is just so…vogue.
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Originally posted by Hi.I'm.Mandy View PostI don't think what he did today even matters, not sure why you think it does. if he abused women he is a criminal and should be prosecutedd, if he didn't i don't think it makes sense to resign."Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake."
- Napoleon Bonaparte (1769-1821)
"Your shitty future continues to offend me."
-Warren Ellis
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Originally posted by Hi.I'm.Mandy View Postif u were one of the women he (allegedly) abused how much credit do u give him for resigning ?"Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake."
- Napoleon Bonaparte (1769-1821)
"Your shitty future continues to offend me."
-Warren Ellis
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Originally posted by Hi.I'm.Mandy View Postagree to disagree I guess....not sure why I am supposed to think what he did now is important"Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake."
- Napoleon Bonaparte (1769-1821)
"Your shitty future continues to offend me."
-Warren Ellis
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Originally posted by Hornsby View PostOK, go ahead and show me where I said what he did now was "important".--------------------------------------
You know a girl in a hat is just so…vogue.
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Originally posted by Hi.I'm.Mandy View Postok, I guess u just posted 5 times explaining why we need to give him credit when we apparently both agree it is not important...which was sort of my point"Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake."
- Napoleon Bonaparte (1769-1821)
"Your shitty future continues to offend me."
-Warren Ellis
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Originally posted by Hornsby View PostActually, that's not true either...I posted Twice that he did the right thing, one of those times was in direct response to you. Never once said that he deserved any credit...just that he did the right thing, today. Period.
To me, the most "right thing" for him to do would have been to not only resign, but to apologize, and acknowledge his crimes, which would be right and at the same time would in no way mitigate his previous heinous acts. That, of course, assumes his guilt. The least right thing to have done would for him to refuse to resign and attack his accusers, adding insult to literal injury. He split the difference here. It was right that he resigned (although it would have been even more right it he'd done it before being called out), but wrong for him to suggest he is being forced out by false accusations.
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Originally posted by Hornsby View PostActually, that's not true either...I posted Twice that he did the right thing, one of those times was in direct response to you. Never once said that he deserved any credit...just that he did the right thing, today. Period.--------------------------------------
You know a girl in a hat is just so…vogue.
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Originally posted by Sour Masher View PostTo this point, I believe it has been said that when a murderer tells the family where the body is buried, that act of sharing that information is "doing the right thing." It seems the disagreement here is largely semantics--the interpretation that acknowledging it was right for him to resign is being conflated with the notion that stating that fact is giving credit to a guy who punches women. I totally get the impulse to push back on the idea we should praise this man in any way. At the same time, sometimes horrible people can double down or not, so I get the sentiment you originally expressed.
To me, the most "right thing" for him to do would have been to not only resign, but to apologize, and acknowledge his crimes, which would be right and at the same time would in no way mitigate his previous heinous acts. That, of course, assumes his guilt. The least right thing to have done would for him to refuse to resign and attack his accusers, adding insult to literal injury. He split the difference here. It was right that he resigned (although it would have been even more right it he'd done it before being called out), but wrong for him to suggest he is being forced out by false accusations.--------------------------------------
You know a girl in a hat is just so…vogue.
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