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Champagne for breakfast and a Sherman in my hand !
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The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.
George Orwell, 1984
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let me be clear.
I was responding to the "Christian" relatives who wrote that letter to Kinzinger.
It wasn't a trap or a trick. I wasn't trying to brand anyone anything.
I don not believe you can truly call yourself a Christian and support or vote for a person like Trump. Voting for and/or supporting means, to me, that you either share that persons morality and values or their morality/values/ethics or the lack there of are not deal breakers for you.
Again, from my perspective, you either believe in and practice Christianity or you do not. The whole--I'm a failed being caveat to me is one of the reasons i do not believe in religion. Do the right thing or don't--we all know better. Own it when you fuck up and own it when you're ok enough to vote for a man like Trump--Just say it--I don't care about X as much as I care about Y. or DON'T VOTE.
Selective morality is not morality whatsoever.
Kinzingers relatives are NOT Christians from my perspective.
Nor is anyone who voted for Trump in 2020
I don't believe Jesus would approve of Trump, nor be pleased with anyone's willful support of him knowing what we know of him today.
Just my perspective, but the equivocation I hear from Trump Christians is yet another reason I think the whole religion thing is bullshit.
I don't intend to offend and apologize if I have.If I whisper my wicked marching orders into the ether with no regard to where or how they may bear fruit, I am blameless should a broken spirit carry those orders out upon the innocent, for it was not my hand that took the action merely my lips which let slip their darkest wish. ~Daniel Devereaux 2011
Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.
Martin Luther King, Jr.
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Originally posted by Bene Futuis View PostUm, guys - Trump tear gassed the shit out of private citizens just so he could hold up an upside down Bible for a photo op. If that ain't true Christianity then I don't know what is."Jesus said to them, 'Truly I tell you, the tax collectors and the prostitutes are going into the kingdom of God ahead of you.'"
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It makes me sad how gullible so many Christians in America have demonstrated themselves to be over the last four years. It was a long process getting there and probably isn't going to be quickly changed, but it still deeply saddens me. I don't think many of them are consciously choosing to be on the side of evil, but nonetheless they have ended up there, and they think they're doing right while they're in fact doing evil. It's not just about how they vote. That is just a symptom of a much deeper problem of allegiances, and theology, and worldviews that has gotten badly out of whack."Jesus said to them, 'Truly I tell you, the tax collectors and the prostitutes are going into the kingdom of God ahead of you.'"
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Originally posted by Kevin Seitzer View PostBiden's gonna hurt God, so which side do you wanna be on, man?
Luckily we all know that Republicans don't take his stupid lies literally and, like, storm the Capitol or whatever.More American children die by gunfire in a year than on-duty police officers and active duty military.
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Originally posted by chancellor View PostSame way I could be a Christian and support Clinton. Or Biden. Or Bush. Or LBJ. Or any other president. To say that Trump's moral failings are greater than, say, LBJ's - who approved actions that burned, maimed, and killed thousands of innocent civilians in Vietnam - are questionable at best both morally and scripturally. Who anyone votes for does not reflect their faith.
I also believe that the tenants of one's faith should supersede any and all other groups one belongs to. To be a Christian, therefore, takes precedence over being an American. I'd go a step further to suggest that in treating the flag of a country as a sacred symbol is a form of idolatry. One can revere it, but the way the American flag is cherished over actual human lives by many in this country seems in contradiction of the commandments. I don't recall seeing anywhere in the 10 commandments to love thy country's flag more than thy neighbor, or put national borders on who is your neighbor. If kneeling before a flag, or burning a million of them, led to the salvation of one soul, by helping him see they he should love his neighbor as himself, and hear that neighbors cries for help, and helping, those actions should be embraced by all Christians. (Whether protests against the American flag actually accomplish that is another matter).
Of course, this is an age old issue of separation of powers that the church and state has contended with. But if you believe in a religion that outlines how you should live your life and that your actions have eternal consequences, it is absurd to me that anyone would ever decide to act in any way that jeopardizes one's eternal soul. One's vote should absolutely reflect one's faith.Last edited by Sour Masher; 02-16-2021, 06:41 PM.
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Originally posted by GwynnInTheHall View Postlet me be clear.
I was responding to the "Christian" relatives who wrote that letter to Kinzinger.
It wasn't a trap or a trick. I wasn't trying to brand anyone anything.
I don not believe you can truly call yourself a Christian and support or vote for a person like Trump. Voting for and/or supporting means, to me, that you either share that persons morality and values or their morality/values/ethics or the lack there of are not deal breakers for you.
Again, from my perspective, you either believe in and practice Christianity or you do not. The whole--I'm a failed being caveat to me is one of the reasons i do not believe in religion. Do the right thing or don't--we all know better. Own it when you fuck up and own it when you're ok enough to vote for a man like Trump--Just say it--I don't care about X as much as I care about Y. or DON'T VOTE.
Selective morality is not morality whatsoever.
Kinzingers relatives are NOT Christians from my perspective.
Nor is anyone who voted for Trump in 2020
I don't believe Jesus would approve of Trump, nor be pleased with anyone's willful support of him knowing what we know of him today.
Just my perspective, but the equivocation I hear from Trump Christians is yet another reason I think the whole religion thing is bullshit.
I don't intend to offend and apologize if I have.
I can't speak for others but I was not offended and no need to apologize to me.
What would true Christian politics look like? Certainly not what we have now.
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I think a lot of Christians would say they don't like how politics looks. A lot of Americans, Christian or not, would say that.
But I think leaving it there fails to address how much the current political landscape in America is what it is because of failings of white evangelical Christianity over the last several decades:
- support for anti-intellectualism, starting with denial of evolution but extending to things like denying the reality of climate change and distrust of scientific experts
- a dispensationalist eschatology that promotes thinking of heaven as other-worldly and leading to a lack of care for the environment and for social justice causes
- becoming bedfellows with white supremacists and racists for the sake of political power and also for the sake of avoiding painful look at how the American church, especially the Southern Baptists, enabled and supported racism and Jim Crow in the South
- extensive intertwining of patriotism and Christianity to the extent that many American Christians don't actually see the difference between the two and the horrible compromise of Christian principles that has resulted - e.g. "Only 2 defining forces have ever offered to die for you.... Jesus Christ and the American Soldier. One died for your soul, the other for your freedom."
- a twisted focus on sexual issues (e.g., abortion, homosexuality) that is rightly concerned with the dignity of the human person and the sacredness of the body but has become so twisted that it's actually accomplishing the opposite of what it should be (it's alienating people and causing suffering rather than lifting people up and affirming their dignity) - in some cases though not all this is actually used as a means for men to keep power over women, and the church as a whole has done a horrible job of recognizing that, let alone dealing with it as the serious issue it is
These errors have helped to promote an irrational fearful and defensive mindset that American Christians are losing their freedom of religion."Jesus said to them, 'Truly I tell you, the tax collectors and the prostitutes are going into the kingdom of God ahead of you.'"
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Thought I'd leave this here as we all know Ted is the next POTUS 2024!!
Ted Cruz
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Aug 19, 2020
California is now unable to perform even basic functions of civilization, like having reliable electricity.
Biden/Harris/AOC want to make CA’s failed energy policy the standard nationwide.
Hope you don’t like air conditioning!
Cruz should be fine, he's used to eating his own words.If I whisper my wicked marching orders into the ether with no regard to where or how they may bear fruit, I am blameless should a broken spirit carry those orders out upon the innocent, for it was not my hand that took the action merely my lips which let slip their darkest wish. ~Daniel Devereaux 2011
Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.
Martin Luther King, Jr.
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Originally posted by revo View PostHas there ever been a person thrown under the bus worse than Pence? I mean, Pence certainly did his share to promote the Big Lie, but he did his job and was scapegoated by the motherf'er and his minions.
"Mitch is a dour, sullen, and unsmiling political hack, and if Republican Senators are going to stay with him, they will not win again," Trump said in the statement. "He will never do what needs to be done, or what is right for our Country. Where necessary and appropriate, I will back primary rivals who espouse Making America Great Again and our policy of America First. We want brilliant, strong, thoughtful, and compassionate leadership."“Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe.”
― Albert Einstein
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Originally posted by Kevin Seitzer View PostI think a lot of Christians would say they don't like how politics looks. A lot of Americans, Christian or not, would say that.
But I think leaving it there fails to address how much the current political landscape in America is what it is because of failings of white evangelical Christianity over the last several decades:
- support for anti-intellectualism, starting with denial of evolution but extending to things like denying the reality of climate change and distrust of scientific experts
- a dispensationalist eschatology that promotes thinking of heaven as other-worldly and leading to a lack of care for the environment and for social justice causes
- becoming bedfellows with white supremacists and racists for the sake of political power and also for the sake of avoiding painful look at how the American church, especially the Southern Baptists, enabled and supported racism and Jim Crow in the South
- extensive intertwining of patriotism and Christianity to the extent that many American Christians don't actually see the difference between the two and the horrible compromise of Christian principles that has resulted - e.g. "Only 2 defining forces have ever offered to die for you.... Jesus Christ and the American Soldier. One died for your soul, the other for your freedom."
- a twisted focus on sexual issues (e.g., abortion, homosexuality) that is rightly concerned with the dignity of the human person and the sacredness of the body but has become so twisted that it's actually accomplishing the opposite of what it should be (it's alienating people and causing suffering rather than lifting people up and affirming their dignity) - in some cases though not all this is actually used as a means for men to keep power over women, and the church as a whole has done a horrible job of recognizing that, let alone dealing with it as the serious issue it is
These errors have helped to promote an irrational fearful and defensive mindset that American Christians are losing their freedom of religion.If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them. - Karl Popper
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Originally posted by Bene Futuis View PostTrump literally said "there will be no god" if Biden were to get elected. He also said Biden is "against God" and would "hurt God" and "hurt the Bible" if elected.
Luckily we all know that Republicans don't take his stupid lies literally and, like, storm the Capitol or whatever.---------------------------------------------
Champagne for breakfast and a Sherman in my hand !
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The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.
George Orwell, 1984
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Originally posted by Sour Masher View PostI am dumbfounded that anyone of faith would make this last claim. In fact, I suspect I am misunderstanding you here. If you are saying that one's faith does not inform one's vote, I'd contend that should absolutely not be true. To be of a faith, to me, means that it must inform every aspect of one's life, and inform every decision one makes, including how one votes.
But assessing which candidate embodies the tenants of one's faith better, and which person will govern in keeping with those tenants
But if you believe in a religion that outlines how you should live your life and that your actions have eternal consequences, it is absurd to me that anyone would ever decide to act in any way that jeopardizes one's eternal soul.I'm just here for the baseball.
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Originally posted by GwynnInTheHall View PostThought I'd leave this here as we all know Ted is the next POTUS 2024!!
Ted Cruz
@tedcruz
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Aug 19, 2020
California is now unable to perform even basic functions of civilization, like having reliable electricity.
Biden/Harris/AOC want to make CA’s failed energy policy the standard nationwide.
Hope you don’t like air conditioning!
Cruz should be fine, he's used to eating his own words.
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