The irony is calling "whataboutism" when discussing gerrymandering. The relative impact of each side doing it is probably about 90-10 in favor of Republicans but keep on focusing on that 10 to pretend it's 50-50.
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If DMT didn't exist we would have to invent it. There has to be a weirdest thing. Once we have the concept weird, there has to be a weirdest thing. And DMT is simply it.
- Terence McKenna
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Originally posted by Judge Jude View Postfyi, the NJ gerrymandering wilted in the light of day and now is off the table....
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Originally posted by DMT View PostShow me where I've defended gerrymandering from any state? Don't spend much time as it'll be a futile effort.
Claiming something else is worse (Republican acceptance of gerrymandering) - Check!
Failing to address the initial claim (Democratic scumbaggery) - Check!
The call on the field is confirmed.
Correct "no whataboutism" response: Yes, the sociopaths in the New Jersey Democratc Party leadership were behaving like absolute scumbags. I'm glad the "good government" folks in their rank and file rejected their scumbaggery."When I use a word," Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, "it means just what I choose it to mean - neither more nor less."
"The question is," said Alice, "whether you can make words mean so many different things."
"The question is," said Humpty Dumpty, "which is to be master - that's all."
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Originally posted by senorsheep View PostAttempting to discredit opponent (Republicans) - Check!
Claiming something else is worse (Republican acceptance of gerrymandering) - Check!
Failing to address the initial claim (Democratic scumbaggery) - Check!
The call on the field is confirmed.
Correct "no what-about-ism" response: Yes, the sociopaths in the New Jersey Democratc Party leadership were behaving like absolute scumbags. I'm glad the "good government" folks in their rank and file rejected their scumbaggery.If DMT didn't exist we would have to invent it. There has to be a weirdest thing. Once we have the concept weird, there has to be a weirdest thing. And DMT is simply it.
- Terence McKenna
Bullshit is everywhere. - George Carlin (& Jon Stewart)
How old would you be if you didn't know how old you are? - Satchel Paige
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Originally posted by DMT View PostThe irony is calling "whataboutism" when discussing gerrymandering. The relative impact of each side doing it is probably about 90-10 in favor of Republicans but keep on focusing on that 10 to pretend it's 50-50.
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Originally posted by nots View PostWell, since the most recent attempt at gerrymandering came from Democrats, it would make sense that JJ would bring it up. But, to quote you, feel free to show me where I support gerrymandering by either team. Don’t spend too much time, it will be a futile effort.If DMT didn't exist we would have to invent it. There has to be a weirdest thing. Once we have the concept weird, there has to be a weirdest thing. And DMT is simply it.
- Terence McKenna
Bullshit is everywhere. - George Carlin (& Jon Stewart)
How old would you be if you didn't know how old you are? - Satchel Paige
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Originally posted by DMT View PostThe irony is calling "whataboutism" when discussing gerrymandering. The relative impact of each side doing it is probably about 90-10 in favor of Republicans but keep on focusing on that 10 to pretend it's 50-50."When I use a word," Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, "it means just what I choose it to mean - neither more nor less."
"The question is," said Alice, "whether you can make words mean so many different things."
"The question is," said Humpty Dumpty, "which is to be master - that's all."
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Originally posted by senorsheep View PostUsing "their side is worse" to avoid acknowledging and examining your own party's behavior - Check!If DMT didn't exist we would have to invent it. There has to be a weirdest thing. Once we have the concept weird, there has to be a weirdest thing. And DMT is simply it.
- Terence McKenna
Bullshit is everywhere. - George Carlin (& Jon Stewart)
How old would you be if you didn't know how old you are? - Satchel Paige
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Originally posted by DMT View PostAll that from this sentence: "Hmmm, maybe one side isn't as crooked as the other?" Damn, I missed my calling!"When I use a word," Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, "it means just what I choose it to mean - neither more nor less."
"The question is," said Alice, "whether you can make words mean so many different things."
"The question is," said Humpty Dumpty, "which is to be master - that's all."
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Apparently it wasn't clear but I was referring to the efforts of those who got the NJ leadership to back down, not on the crooked leaders themselves. It seems fairly obvious to me but just wanted to be clear.If DMT didn't exist we would have to invent it. There has to be a weirdest thing. Once we have the concept weird, there has to be a weirdest thing. And DMT is simply it.
- Terence McKenna
Bullshit is everywhere. - George Carlin (& Jon Stewart)
How old would you be if you didn't know how old you are? - Satchel Paige
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Originally posted by senorsheep View PostBackpedaling when called on what you obviously meant - Check!If DMT didn't exist we would have to invent it. There has to be a weirdest thing. Once we have the concept weird, there has to be a weirdest thing. And DMT is simply it.
- Terence McKenna
Bullshit is everywhere. - George Carlin (& Jon Stewart)
How old would you be if you didn't know how old you are? - Satchel Paige
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Originally posted by DMT View PostDude, the behavior being discussed is that it was scrapped!"When I use a word," Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, "it means just what I choose it to mean - neither more nor less."
"The question is," said Alice, "whether you can make words mean so many different things."
"The question is," said Humpty Dumpty, "which is to be master - that's all."
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Originally posted by DMT View PostIf you're seriously claiming that Republicans have similarly resisted efforts at gerrymandering, I've got a magical bridge to heaven powered by fairy dust and rainbows to sell you...1/2 off retail!
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Originally posted by nots View PostYeah, I didn’t claim that so keep your fairy dust. We were talking about NJ gerrymandering not Republican gerrymandering in NC, WI or Pa. I am sorry it upsets you that every post can’t be anti -GOP but occasionally your team does some bad stuff too.If DMT didn't exist we would have to invent it. There has to be a weirdest thing. Once we have the concept weird, there has to be a weirdest thing. And DMT is simply it.
- Terence McKenna
Bullshit is everywhere. - George Carlin (& Jon Stewart)
How old would you be if you didn't know how old you are? - Satchel Paige
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It's actually a pretty common debate in Democratic/Liberal/Progressive bubbles whether "our side" should be taking an ends-justify-the-means approach (which Democrats largely perceive the Republicans as having done far more ruthlessly and consistently), or whether we should "go high", to reference the Michelle Obama speech, and operate with respect for our institutions, political norms and general rules of fair play, even if that means that the GOP will "win" more than they should given the number of voters who support their platform/policies versus the number who support the Democrats' platform/policies. I've always leaned pretty strongly toward "go high", but it can be frustrating and it sometimes feels like "going high" is a loser's play.
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