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“Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe.”
― Albert Einstein
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Originally posted by madducks View PostClearly the better choice. I think the Nationals wanted Bud Black before the job even opened up.“Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe.”
― Albert Einstein
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So why is the offer to Black insulting? Too low? Not enough years? What does he think he deserves?"I lingered round them, under that benign sky: watched the moths fluttering among the heath and harebells, listened to the soft wind breathing through the grass, and wondered how any one could ever imagine unquiet slumbers for the sleepers in that quiet earth."
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Originally posted by Mithrandir View PostSo why is the offer to Black insulting? Too low? Not enough years? What does he think he deserves?
I think that it's more of a public backlash at Dusty...which I agree with. Really bad choice IMO, unless they make him hire a pitching coach with autonomy..."Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake."
- Napoleon Bonaparte (1769-1821)
"Your shitty future continues to offend me."
-Warren Ellis
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Originally posted by Mithrandir View PostSo why is the offer to Black insulting? Too low? Not enough years? What does he think he deserves?
If you want him as a manager, you bring him in on multiple years at the going rate.
Mattingly got 4/10 million and Black has done more with less for years.If I whisper my wicked marching orders into the ether with no regard to where or how they may bear fruit, I am blameless should a broken spirit carry those orders out upon the innocent, for it was not my hand that took the action merely my lips which let slip their darkest wish. ~Daniel Devereaux 2011
Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.
Martin Luther King, Jr.
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Originally posted by GwynnInTheHall View PostThe same respect every other manager out there has been getting.
If you want him as a manager, you bring him in on multiple years at the going rate.
Mattingly got 4/10 million and Black has done more with less for years.
I guess it depends on his other options."I lingered round them, under that benign sky: watched the moths fluttering among the heath and harebells, listened to the soft wind breathing through the grass, and wondered how any one could ever imagine unquiet slumbers for the sleepers in that quiet earth."
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Originally posted by Kevin Seitzer View PostA lifetime of free copies at the local public library."I lingered round them, under that benign sky: watched the moths fluttering among the heath and harebells, listened to the soft wind breathing through the grass, and wondered how any one could ever imagine unquiet slumbers for the sleepers in that quiet earth."
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Originally posted by Mithrandir View PostThanks as I really had no idea what the going rate or length of contract is.
I guess it depends on his other options.If I whisper my wicked marching orders into the ether with no regard to where or how they may bear fruit, I am blameless should a broken spirit carry those orders out upon the innocent, for it was not my hand that took the action merely my lips which let slip their darkest wish. ~Daniel Devereaux 2011
Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.
Martin Luther King, Jr.
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Originally posted by GwynnInTheHall View PostThe same respect every other manager out there has been getting.
If you want him as a manager, you bring him in on multiple years at the going rate.
Mattingly got 4/10 million and Black has done more with less for years."Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake."
- Napoleon Bonaparte (1769-1821)
"Your shitty future continues to offend me."
-Warren Ellis
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Originally posted by Hornsby View PostThat's simply not true factually...Mattingly has won 3 division titles in a row and never finished lower than 3rd. Yes, he's certainly had the talent, but he's done better than most people think. This years club was simply not that good, and they had a ton of injuries, yet they won the division going away.
Black on the other hand never had a payroll higher than last year, which ranked 18th and was still almost a third of what Mattingly had to work with. His payrolls ranked 24, 19, 29, 29, 28, 30 25, 20 and last years 18. He got more out of his no talent rosters than most other managers could have. Is he the best manager ever? NO, but he's absolutely every bit as good as Mattingly and probably better if he had the resources Don did.
So yea, mattingly made more postseasons, but he had far and beyond more resources to do so and in the end has as many NL Pennants in LA as Black does in SD.If I whisper my wicked marching orders into the ether with no regard to where or how they may bear fruit, I am blameless should a broken spirit carry those orders out upon the innocent, for it was not my hand that took the action merely my lips which let slip their darkest wish. ~Daniel Devereaux 2011
Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.
Martin Luther King, Jr.
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Originally posted by madducks View PostBud Black is interviewing for the Dodgers job now. He knows where the money is.
Like Bochy going to the Giants.
LA will finally win it all. Shit.If I whisper my wicked marching orders into the ether with no regard to where or how they may bear fruit, I am blameless should a broken spirit carry those orders out upon the innocent, for it was not my hand that took the action merely my lips which let slip their darkest wish. ~Daniel Devereaux 2011
Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.
Martin Luther King, Jr.
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Originally posted by GwynnInTheHall View PostMY brother, I or You could manage a 300 million dollar payroll to a division title. Simply not that good? Kershaw and Greinke are arguably to best 1-2 punch in that past decade. Kenley Jansen was his usual lights out Their team Hitting was 3rd best in MLB. Their pitching 2nd. Mattingly Never had a payroll lower than 4th in the league going 4th, 4th, 2nd, 1st and 1st. He only managed to win one post season series and was fired.
Black on the other hand never had a payroll higher than last year, which ranked 18th and was still almost a third of what Mattingly had to work with. His payrolls ranked 24, 19, 29, 29, 28, 30 25, 20 and last years 18. He got more out of his no talent rosters than most other managers could have. Is he the best manager ever? NO, but he's absolutely every bit as good as Mattingly and probably better if he had the resources Don did.
So yea, mattingly made more postseasons, but he had far and beyond more resources to do so and in the end has as many NL Pennants in LA as Black does in SD.
Mattingly will never be the sabermetricians choice, but I suspect that he's always had a lot more interference from the front office than has been reported. Bottom line is that he did the job, and he did it successfully...we'll see if Black can do the same given the same situation."Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake."
- Napoleon Bonaparte (1769-1821)
"Your shitty future continues to offend me."
-Warren Ellis
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