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In 2006, what politician said this and voted "NO" Against Raising the Debt Ceiling?

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  • In 2006, what politician said this and voted "NO" Against Raising the Debt Ceiling?

    “The fact that we are here today to debate raising America's debt limit is a sign of leadership failure,” he said on March 16, 2006. “Leadership means that ‘the buck stops here.’ Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership . Americans deserve better. I therefore intend to oppose the effort to increase America's debt limit.”

    Any ideas?

  • #2
    Duh-- Obama-- otherwise you wouldn't be posting this to make your point.
    If I whisper my wicked marching orders into the ether with no regard to where or how they may bear fruit, I am blameless should a broken spirit carry those orders out upon the innocent, for it was not my hand that took the action merely my lips which let slip their darkest wish. ~Daniel Devereaux 2011

    Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.
    Martin Luther King, Jr.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by GwynnInTheHall View Post
      Duh-- Obama-- otherwise you wouldn't be posting this to make your point.
      What happened to that guy? Is that an evil doppelganger that looks and talks like the ex-junior senator from Illinois? And he made another interesting statement that clearly has reached it's political expiration date (see quote below):

      The President does not have power under the Constitution to unilaterally authorize a military attack in a situation that does not involve stopping an actual or imminent threat to the nation.

      As Commander-in-Chief, the President does have a duty to protect and defend the United States. In instances of self-defense, the President would be within his constitutional authority to act before advising Congress or seeking its consent.
      I know we all have the attention span of 12 year olds, but it is amazing how such clearly delineated positions can evolve into what can be considered a 180 degree turnaround. If I was a pessimist, I'd say he was just lying and attempting to gain political favor, but then again, what do I know?:
      Last edited by ; 04-09-2011, 05:27 PM.

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      • #4
        the white house does crazy things to candidates. You'd think they weren't being completely genuine or had their arms twisted behind the scenes:

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        • #5
          Originally posted by PaleoMan View Post
          I know we all have the attention span of 12 year olds, but it is amazing how such clearly delineated positions can evolve into what can be considered a 180 degree turnaround. If I was a pessimist, I'd say he was just lying and attempting to gain political favor, but then again, what do I know?:
          I'm not sure if you're anti-Obama, anti-Democrat or just anti-presidential campaign rhetoric, but you should check up on Reagan's 1986 strike on Libya and Bush's 1992 strike on Somalia for more on "non-congressional approved" attacks on other countries.

          Of course Reagan/Bush didn't claim the same....it was still the Cold War, of course.....so maybe Obama is guilty of being naive. But otherwise, c'mon now....as a moderate Republican (now leaning Democrat after all this conservative Republican nonsense the last few years),after Iraq, this gives me chuckles.

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          • #6
            While I agree with the point on Reagan and Libya, the one on Bush and Somalia is not correct. Not only were Congressional leaders briefed, but a bi-partisan resolution had been passed (both Kassebaum and Simon were the authors) demanding urgent action on Somalia.

            ST's claim here, which is pretty darn valid, is that Obama isn't governing anywhere near where either he campaigned or took positions on as a Senator.
            I'm just here for the baseball.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by chancellor View Post
              While I agree with the point on Reagan and Libya, the one on Bush and Somalia is not correct. Not only were Congressional leaders briefed, but a bi-partisan resolution had been passed (both Kassebaum and Simon were the authors) demanding urgent action on Somalia.

              ST's claim here, which is pretty darn valid, is that Obama isn't governing anywhere near where either he campaigned or took positions on as a Senator.
              "In December 1992, President Bush sent U.S. Forces to Somalia without congressional authorization in order to assist the United Nations in preventing a humanitarian disaster there. He did so following an UNSCR that authorized “all necessary means” to establish a secure environment for the delivery of humanitarian aid in Somalia. Relying heavily on the Korea precedent, OLC chief Tim Flanigan concluded that President Bush was “entitled to rely on [the Somalia UNSCR], and on its finding that the situation in Somalia ‘constitutes a threat to international peace and security,’ in making his determination that the interests of the United States justify providing the military assistance that [the UNSCR] calls for.” Attorney General William Barr added in a cover letter that the President could “reasonably and lawfully conclude that it is necessary to use United States military personnel to support the implementation of [the Somalia UNSCR] and other Security Council resolutions concerning Somalia.”



              "Presidents have initiated many military conflicts without congressional approval since World War II, including President Clinton's air assault on the Milosevic regime in Serbia in 1999, President Bush's intervention in Somalia in 1992, and President Reagan's own attack on Qaddafi in 1986. The War Powers Act -- passed in reaction to the Vietnam War and mostly ignored by Presidents since then -- requires the president to inform Congress that he is committing U.S. forces abroad within 48 hours and to request approval within 60 days. "

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              • #8
                Originally posted by revo View Post
                "In December 1992, President Bush sent U.S. Forces to Somalia without congressional authorization in order to assist the United Nations in preventing a humanitarian disaster there. He did so following an UNSCR that authorized “all necessary means” to establish a secure environment for the delivery of humanitarian aid in Somalia. Relying heavily on the Korea precedent, OLC chief Tim Flanigan concluded that President Bush was “entitled to rely on [the Somalia UNSCR], and on its finding that the situation in Somalia ‘constitutes a threat to international peace and security,’ in making his determination that the interests of the United States justify providing the military assistance that [the UNSCR] calls for.” Attorney General William Barr added in a cover letter that the President could “reasonably and lawfully conclude that it is necessary to use United States military personnel to support the implementation of [the Somalia UNSCR] and other Security Council resolutions concerning Somalia.”
                http://www.lawfareblog.com/2011/03/t...nal-arguments/
                Yes, the Bush admin crossed the Ts and dotted the Is, but key differences remain between that and the most recent action in Libya - first, Congress had asked the Executive Branch to act urgently (again, see the Kassebaum-Simon joint resolution), and second, Congressional leaders were briefed before the troops went in to Somalia, fulfilling the first requirement of the War Powers Act.
                I'm just here for the baseball.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by chancellor View Post
                  While I agree with the point on Reagan and Libya, the one on Bush and Somalia is not correct. Not only were Congressional leaders briefed, but a bi-partisan resolution had been passed (both Kassebaum and Simon were the authors) demanding urgent action on Somalia.

                  ST's claim here, which is pretty darn valid, is that Obama isn't governing anywhere near where either he campaigned or took positions on as a Senator.
                  Correct, because if he had-- we'd have universal health-care, the tax breaks for the wealthy would be history and DADT would have been gone in the first 3 months. Oh and Gitmo would be closed along with all the other covert prisons holding "Enemies of the state' I elected a socially conscientious, transparent liberal and got the same ol pander to the Right politician.

                  Sheesh Chane, you should be freaking ecstatic.
                  If I whisper my wicked marching orders into the ether with no regard to where or how they may bear fruit, I am blameless should a broken spirit carry those orders out upon the innocent, for it was not my hand that took the action merely my lips which let slip their darkest wish. ~Daniel Devereaux 2011

                  Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.
                  Martin Luther King, Jr.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by GwynnInTheHall View Post
                    Correct, because if he had-- we'd have universal health-care, the tax breaks for the wealthy would be history and DADT would have been gone in the first 3 months. Oh and Gitmo would be closed along with all the other covert prisons holding "Enemies of the state' I elected a socially conscientious, transparent liberal and got the same ol pander to the Right politician.

                    Sheesh Chane, you should be freaking ecstatic.
                    Hardly. I certainly didn't want another neo-con who has much less spending discipline than his predecessor.
                    I'm just here for the baseball.

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