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After former Broncos quarterback Brian Griese sprained his ankle and said he was tripped on the stairs of his home by his golden retriever, Bella: “The dog stood up on his hind legs and gave him a push? You might want to get rid of that dog, or put him in the circus, one of the two.”
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Originally posted by Hammer View Posthe is pitching with a hernia.Only the madman is absolutely sure. -Robert Anton Wilson, novelist (1932-2007)
Faith is believing what you know ain't so. -Mark Twain, author and humorist (1835-1910)
A great many people think they are thinking when they are merely rearranging their prejudices.
-- William James
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Originally posted by Erik View PostKeep an eye on Ken Giles, who was called up a few days ago. He has the stuff to close in the future.Bearin' up!
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So what are the Phillies thinking, not making any deadline deals? I've read several speculations: (1) they're concerned about attendance dropping if they trade big names, (2) they simply don't care about short-run 2014 salary expense, (3) they asked for too much and nobody was wiling to pay what they were asking.
Thoughts, Erik/others?
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Revo's explanation is the biggest reason.
Also, their players are difficult to trade not only because of their salaries, but because Amaro gives out no-trade clauses, vesting options, etc. like candy.
There is probably some unrealistic valuation going on, but the main reason they finally hired analytical staff was to get a better sense of how more analytics-oriented teams - that is, almost everyone - value Phillies players.
I don't think the attendance theory counts for much. It's already way down because the team isn't good. And they are swimming in cash anyway after their new TV deal.Originally posted by Kevin SeitzerWe pinch ran for Altuve specifically to screw over Mith's fantasy team.
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I think it is a combination of three reasons:
1. Nobody trusted Cliff Lee because he hadn't shown he was back and pitching well after the injury. Apparently, for good reason.
2. Amaro has some overvaluing of players going on. He thinks he should get a major haul for Hamels, because Hamels is good. Hamels, however, is a full price, so there is little value there. Given the money he is owed, half the contenders are automatically out, because they cannot afford him.
3. The pieces they would have moved more cheaply (Howard, Papelbon) just didn't have enough value for anyone to give the Phillies anything that would make the Phillies bother to pull the trigger.
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The Phillies have a few pieces that could still net some interesting prospects on return -- Utley, Byrd, Ruiz, and Hamels. But the problem is that Amaro would have to take on at least half of any of those given salaries to net even a halfway decent prospect. And then Amaro expects to get a couple of stud prospects in return for his star player who is signed for an egregious amount (because Amaro always pays full price or higher for his free agents). So it's a recipe for an ugly exchange mostly because Amaro has consistently overvalued his guys as well as underestimated the value of a buck around the league vs. what his own budget. Basically, he's an asshat and doesn't understand much of shit. He was a fun GM for Philly to have during their heyday when he could just go out and pay market prices for free agents and be done with it -- his quick actions and swift trades were always fun and based in making his current team better at the time (with the Ryan Howard contract being his first huge megalomanical bungle, obviously). But now? He's a veritable nightmare. If ownership can't see it, the Phillies are in for a decade long rebuild.
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We don't really know what ownership sees, because it's made up of many people and none of them speak publicly except for CEO David Montgomery, who only talks in marketing blather. Before the 2007-2011 run, they seemed content to be in the MLB ownership club and losing didn't seem to bother them that much.
Today Amaro said he made no deals because the players they wanted weren't available. There may be some truth to that -- none of the top 50 prospects were moved. But it's also probably a reflection of how differently he values players vs. the rest of the league.Originally posted by Kevin SeitzerWe pinch ran for Altuve specifically to screw over Mith's fantasy team.
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I agree that the Howard contract was the beginning of the end. Reminds me of the Yankees getting value out of A-Rod and Sabathia - then signing them to preposterous extensions because reasons, I guess. But the Yankees have a larger "get out of a jail free" card.finished 10th in this 37th yr in 11-team-only NL 5x5
own picks 1, 2, 5, 6, 9 in April 2022 1st-rd farmhand draft
won in 2017 15 07 05 04 02 93 90 84
SP SGray 16, TWalker 10, AWood 10, Price 3, KH Kim 2, Corbin 10
RP Bednar 10, Bender 10, Graterol 2
C Stallings 2, Casali 1
1B Votto 10, 3B ERios 2, 1B Zimmerman 2, 2S Chisholm 5, 2B Hoerner 5, 2B Solano 2, 2B LGarcia 10, SS Gregorius 17
OF Cain 14, Bader 1, Daza 1
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From Elias: Ryan Howard, Chase Utley and Jimmy Rollins all survived last week's trade deadline long enough to reach a significant milestone. Sunday's loss to the Nationals was the 886th regular-season game that they've started together in the field for the Phillies at first base, second base and shortstop, respectively. They've tied the Dodgers' trio of Steve Garvey, Davey Lopes and Bill Russell for the major-league record for most games started together in the field by three teammates at those positions.finished 10th in this 37th yr in 11-team-only NL 5x5
own picks 1, 2, 5, 6, 9 in April 2022 1st-rd farmhand draft
won in 2017 15 07 05 04 02 93 90 84
SP SGray 16, TWalker 10, AWood 10, Price 3, KH Kim 2, Corbin 10
RP Bednar 10, Bender 10, Graterol 2
C Stallings 2, Casali 1
1B Votto 10, 3B ERios 2, 1B Zimmerman 2, 2S Chisholm 5, 2B Hoerner 5, 2B Solano 2, 2B LGarcia 10, SS Gregorius 17
OF Cain 14, Bader 1, Daza 1
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