2K24: Minnesota Twins

[DMT]

Will Cruz get to 500 HRs? Dude is ridiculous.

[revo]

Will Cruz get to 500 HRs? Dude is ridiculous.

I'm starting to think he's a borderline HOF candidate. It's too bad he got a late start to his MLB career, because he's be a slam dunk one if he had a full-time gig prior to age 28.

He seems like the type who will play to age 44-45.

[Pauly]

I'm starting to think he's a borderline HOF candidate. It's too bad he got a late start to his MLB career, because he's be a slam dunk one if he had a full-time gig prior to age 28.

He seems like the type who will play to age 44-45.

He is a PED guy so voters will knee jerk automatically exclude him even if he hits 500 HR this year.

[GwynnInTheHall]

He is a PED guy so voters will knee jerk automatically exclude him even if he hits 500 HR this year.

If he hit 500 this year, I think they might test him.....

[chancellor]

He is a PED guy so voters will knee jerk automatically exclude him even if he hits 500 HR this year.

That was my first thought, but I don't get the impression he's viewed anywhere near in the same lens as a Bonds, Palmiero, or Clemens. I think his bigger challenge will be the DH issue.

[revo]

That was my first thought, but I don't get the impression he's viewed anywhere near in the same lens as a Bonds, Palmiero, or Clemens. I think his bigger challenge will be the DH issue.

That's true, but that will go away once Ortiz is inducted on the first ballot.

[Art Vandelay]

He is a PED guy so voters will knee jerk automatically exclude him even if he hits 500 HR this year.

it isn't "knee jerk" to keep cheaters out of the HoF

[chancellor]

That's true, but that will go away once Ortiz is inducted on the first ballot.

Could be. I still think there's a lot of voters who take that into consideration. Plus, his lack of defense drops his WAR, right? There's a number of voters who use WAR as a guide also.

[Sour Masher]

it isn't "knee jerk" to keep cheaters out of the HoF

I'm not against that as a concept, but it is too late. Lots of cheaters in already. Cruz is an interesting case, because almost all his numbers are from after he got popped and presumably has been clean while producing them.

[revo]

Could be. I still think there's a lot of voters who take that into consideration. Plus, his lack of defense drops his WAR, right? There's a number of voters who use WAR as a guide also.

It does. His career WAR is 40.4, which is squarely not a HOFer. But assuming he plays another 3 years after this one, he could get to 52-60 WAR, which puts him in the conversation.

Big Papi’s career WAR is 55.3.

[Bene Futuis]

Cruz is many lightyears away from HoF consideration, in my mind. Not even close. Not even with three more years' production. Ortiz shouldn't get in, either, and his credentials far exceed Nelson's. Is Ortiz generally considered to be a first ballot guy? Christ, no freakin' way!

[Bene Futuis]

Could be. I still think there's a lot of voters who take that into consideration. Plus, his lack of defense drops his WAR, right? There's a number of voters who use WAR as a guide also.

Ortiz's WAR is.....wait for it.....241st all time.

[revo]

Could be. I still think there's a lot of voters who take that into consideration. Plus, his lack of defense drops his WAR, right? There's a number of voters who use WAR as a guide also.

Also, Edgar Martinez was elected last year, so at least the cherry is broken.


As far as Big Papi, most of the HOF monitor stats have him easily as a HOFer. I think if you take his post-season stats into account, he’s a slam dunk HOFer.

[Sour Masher]

Ortiz's WAR is.....wait for it.....241st all time.

There are 333 players in the HOF so far, including many worse than Ortiz, especially some of the recent inductees, like Harold Baines, who has a 38.7 WAR, which is below Cruz's. Granted, his induction was an egregious broadening of what a HOFer means, but here we are.

[Bene Futuis]

I guess Ortiz suffices for the "famous" portion of the Hall of Fame, but obvious exceptions like Harold "how the F did you get in here?" Baines aside, he shouldn't even be close to a first ballot guy when Edgar Martinez barely squeaks in on the last ballot. Plus, Ortiz was a cheater on top of it all --- and right during his best statistical season, if I recall, too. He's very far from a slam dunk in my book, that's for sure. Nelson Cruz remains far from a blindfolded half court shot.