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  • #31
    McCann 5 years with a 6 option up to 100 million dollars.

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    • #32
      So this gives the Yankees the ability to trade Gary Sanchez and use their flotsam (Murphy, Cervelli, maybe Stewart) as McCann's backup. It costs them a 1st round pick but presumably they'll get one back when someone signs Granderson, unless it's a top-10 pick team with a protected pick.

      Of course nobody knows what's going to happen until the A-Rod mess is settled. And it seems like the Yankees will have to assume they're stuck with him for at least some of the season.

      CF Gardner
      SS Jeter (because when you have an aging .220 hitter he has to hit 2nd)
      2B Cano (assuming he comes back)
      3B A-Rod
      CA McCann
      1B Teixeira
      LF Soriano
      DH V Wells
      RF Ichiro

      That would be the most expensive 6-9 hitters in the history of baseball. Yikes.

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      • #33
        And when your lineup is as old as the Yankees have as of now, why not get--older? From Rotoworld--

        "According to Mark Feinsand of the New York Daily News, Carlos Beltran is currently the Yankees' No. 1 target.

        Feinsand says the Yankees even prefer Beltran over younger free agent options Shin-Soo Choo, Jacoby Ellsbury and Nelson Cruz. The Royals, Red Sox, Orioles, Rangers and Mariners are also thought to have serious interest in the veteran outfielder, who appears set to cash in one final time. Beltran, 36, batted .296/.339/.491 with 24 home runs and 84 RBI in 145 games this past season for the Cardinals."

        Signing any of those four would put Wells on the bench, where he belongs. I think the best choice of the four would be Ellsbury, followed by Choo, then Beltran and Cruz, who is kind of a duplicate of Soriano.

        I'm kind of surprised that the Yankees didn't go after Jhonny Peralta, a shortstop with extensive experience at 3B who could probably play some LF or 1B depending on which geezer is hurt or suspended at any given time, and who could probably make the switch to 2B if Cano doesn't re-sign.
        Only the madman is absolutely sure. -Robert Anton Wilson, novelist (1932-2007)

        Faith is believing what you know ain't so. -Mark Twain, author and humorist (1835-1910)

        A great many people think they are thinking when they are merely rearranging their prejudices.
        -- William James

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        • #34
          Originally posted by Don Quixote View Post
          I'm kind of surprised that the Yankees didn't go after Jhonny Peralta, a shortstop with extensive experience at 3B
          That would be admitting that they see the fork in Derek's back.....
          Badges? We don't need no stinkin' badges!

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          • #35
            Originally posted by Grinch View Post
            That would be admitting that they see the fork in Derek's back.....
            Heck no. They could have said that he's insurance for A-Roid's suspension being upheld and/or Cano not returning, and they'd be right about that. It would be a classic case of "the truth, nothing but the truth, but not the whole truth."
            Only the madman is absolutely sure. -Robert Anton Wilson, novelist (1932-2007)

            Faith is believing what you know ain't so. -Mark Twain, author and humorist (1835-1910)

            A great many people think they are thinking when they are merely rearranging their prejudices.
            -- William James

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            • #36
              so what do you do if you're Jay-z ... a new player agent, trying to break into Boras's business, you've got the most valuable free agent (by far), but you're at risk of overplaying your hand ... they're sticking to 10 years $300mil+, but the Yanks are coming in at barely more than half, and appear to be timeboxing that offer ... not for the faint of heart ...

              Originally posted by rotoworld
              It's hardball time. The Yankees have put a seven-year, $160 million proposal on the table for Cano and aren't willing to go much higher. Now they want the negotiations to pick up because free agents are flying off the board at a faster pace than usual and the club has other targets in mind. Cano, a Roc Nation client, is said to be looking for a 10-year, $310 million free agent contract. But nobody is going to give it to him.
              It certainly feels that way. But I'm distrustful of that feeling and am curious about evidence.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by TranaGreg View Post
                so what do you do if you're Jay-z ... a new player agent, trying to break into Boras's business, you've got the most valuable free agent (by far), but you're at risk of overplaying your hand ... they're sticking to 10 years $300mil+, but the Yanks are coming in at barely more than half, and appear to be timeboxing that offer ... not for the faint of heart ...
                I love it. It only took the Yanks about 10 years to realize they should stop bidding against themselves. Of course it's too early to tell if they will stick to their guns. This is not the first time they've made a firm stance only to break down. If they end up giving him $190M over 8 years or something like that I wouldn't be too upset but I agree that their offer is a very solid offer and going beyond that become problematic towards the end.
                I'm unconsoled I'm lonely, I am so much better than I used to be.

                The Weakerthans Aside

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by joncarlos View Post
                  So this gives the Yankees the ability to trade Gary Sanchez and use their flotsam (Murphy, Cervelli, maybe Stewart) as McCann's backup. It costs them a 1st round pick but presumably they'll get one back when someone signs Granderson, unless it's a top-10 pick team with a protected pick.

                  Of course nobody knows what's going to happen until the A-Rod mess is settled. And it seems like the Yankees will have to assume they're stuck with him for at least some of the season.

                  CF Gardner
                  SS Jeter (because when you have an aging .220 hitter he has to hit 2nd)
                  2B Cano (assuming he comes back)
                  3B A-Rod
                  CA McCann
                  1B Teixeira
                  LF Soriano
                  DH V Wells
                  RF Ichiro

                  That would be the most expensive 6-9 hitters in the history of baseball. Yikes.
                  If I'm reading this wrong and you know all this, I'm sorry, but just in case... The Yanks would still get a pick if Granderson signs with a team that has a protected first round pick. Teams don't get the actual pick of the team signing the player. They get a supplemental pick after the first round. Teams with a protected first round pick lose their second round pick if they sign a free agent that turned down the qualifying offer.
                  I'm unconsoled I'm lonely, I am so much better than I used to be.

                  The Weakerthans Aside

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by BuckyBuckner View Post
                    If I'm reading this wrong and you know all this, I'm sorry, but just in case... The Yanks would still get a pick if Granderson signs with a team that has a protected first round pick. Teams don't get the actual pick of the team signing the player. They get a supplemental pick after the first round. Teams with a protected first round pick lose their second round pick if they sign a free agent that turned down the qualifying offer.
                    Let's say that a team with a protected first round pick, say the White Sox to pick one at random, signs such a free agent and loses their first round pick. Does that make the previous #11 a now protected top ten pick?

                    IIRC the Pirates didn't sign their first round pick a couple of seasons ago and got another top ten pick, which knocked the Mets down to #11 and caused them to lose their first rounder. Doesn't my scenario work out the same way in reverse?
                    Only the madman is absolutely sure. -Robert Anton Wilson, novelist (1932-2007)

                    Faith is believing what you know ain't so. -Mark Twain, author and humorist (1835-1910)

                    A great many people think they are thinking when they are merely rearranging their prejudices.
                    -- William James

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                    • #40
                      Yanks sign Kelly Johnson to a 1 yr, $3m deal. He'll be a super-utility player and if Cano were to leave, the de facto 2B.

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by revo View Post
                        Yanks sign Kelly Johnson to a 1 yr, $3m deal. He'll be a super-utility player and if Cano were to leave, the de facto 2B.
                        Real solid signing imo. Versatile and has some pop.
                        people called me an idiot for burning popcorn in the microwave, but i know the real truth. - nullnor

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by Controller Jacobs View Post
                          Real solid signing imo. Versatile and has some pop.
                          Started last year hot, then went ice cold in the second half and didn't play much down the stretch. That's his MO, though. The smart manager (and I think Girardi is just that) will find ways to get him in the lineup every day when he's hot, but bench him quickly when he cools off; none of this "let him play his way through" stuff. His poor streaks are REALLY poor. And his defense is often, uh, variable. His team is best advised to have a defensive specialist on the roster for the late innings.

                          I like the deal being for only one year and reasonable money, too. Not that I think the Yankees think that much about it, but if the season is going sour, that could be a very marketable contract.
                          Only the madman is absolutely sure. -Robert Anton Wilson, novelist (1932-2007)

                          Faith is believing what you know ain't so. -Mark Twain, author and humorist (1835-1910)

                          A great many people think they are thinking when they are merely rearranging their prejudices.
                          -- William James

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by Don Quixote View Post
                            Let's say that a team with a protected first round pick, say the White Sox to pick one at random, signs such a free agent and loses their first round pick. Does that make the previous #11 a now protected top ten pick?

                            IIRC the Pirates didn't sign their first round pick a couple of seasons ago and got another top ten pick, which knocked the Mets down to #11 and caused them to lose their first rounder. Doesn't my scenario work out the same way in reverse?
                            No, because if the White Sox sign a player, their pick is protected and they lose a 2nd rounder.

                            But either way, Bucky is right and I was wrong, the Yankees get a comp pick in the same place no matter who signs Grandy (Mets or Red Sox, protected or unprotected). The Yankees don't get the lost pick, the pick just vanishes.

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by joncarlos View Post
                              No, because if the White Sox sign a player, their pick is protected and they lose a 2nd rounder.

                              But either way, Bucky is right and I was wrong, the Yankees get a comp pick in the same place no matter who signs Grandy (Mets or Red Sox, protected or unprotected). The Yankees don't get the lost pick, the pick just vanishes.
                              Ah, you're right. You can get knocked out of the top ten, as happened to the Mets, but you can't get knocked into it.
                              Only the madman is absolutely sure. -Robert Anton Wilson, novelist (1932-2007)

                              Faith is believing what you know ain't so. -Mark Twain, author and humorist (1835-1910)

                              A great many people think they are thinking when they are merely rearranging their prejudices.
                              -- William James

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                              • #45
                                From Rotoworld--

                                "According to Enrique Rojas of ESPN Deportes, the Mariners have let Robinson Cano know that they would be willing to give him a 10-year contract worth between $230-240 million.

                                If that's the case, we're not sure how Cano hasn't signed with them yet. Only Albert Pujols and Alex Rodriguez (twice) have received bigger contracts in the history of the game. Rojas hears that Cano took a private flight from from New York to Seattle on Thursday to meet with the Mariners, so reports pegging them as a serious threat would appear to be accurate. We'll soon see whether this will be enough for the Yankees to increase their limit, which is reportedly in the range of seven years and $175 million."

                                The questions are--

                                1. Is Seattle serious, or are they just trying to get the Yankees to overspend and to break their word on how high they'd go?
                                2. Is Jay-Z serious about possibly having his client sign with far-off, uncool Seattle, or is he just trying to replenish his badly played hand with the Yankees?
                                3. Is Cano seriously considering this, or is he just going through the motions, possibly to save face for his agent?
                                4. Would the increased pay from the Mariners make up for losing the endorsement deals he'd supposedly get if he stayed in NY?
                                5. Is this a Hail Mary desperation play by Jack Z, trying to save his job?

                                Don't forget the benefit of not having to pay NY and NYC income taxes if he signs with Seattle.

                                Personally, I think #5 is true on Seattle's part, and that Cano and Jay-Z are going through the motions to try to get the Yankees to increase their offer. But that's a cynical view, and I'm really trying to avoid that line of thinking.
                                Only the madman is absolutely sure. -Robert Anton Wilson, novelist (1932-2007)

                                Faith is believing what you know ain't so. -Mark Twain, author and humorist (1835-1910)

                                A great many people think they are thinking when they are merely rearranging their prejudices.
                                -- William James

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