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Champagne for breakfast and a Sherman in my hand !
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The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.
George Orwell, 1984
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Originally posted by The Feral Slasher View PostDo you think it is time to re-assess the entire constitution since we live in such dangerous times ?
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Originally posted by B-Fly View PostWhile I do think my team is better, I had the same "they must have good reasons" fears under Bush and Cheney. I was never entirely comfortable railing against the Patriot Act and government surveillance methods because of what I don't know about the nature of the threats.
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Originally posted by bryanbutler View Postagreed.
but i'd still take him over GWB. no question."When I use a word," Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, "it means just what I choose it to mean - neither more nor less."
"The question is," said Alice, "whether you can make words mean so many different things."
"The question is," said Humpty Dumpty, "which is to be master - that's all."
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Originally posted by B-Fly View PostWhile I do think my team is better, I had the same "they must have good reasons" fears under Bush and Cheney. I was never entirely comfortable railing against the Patriot Act and government surveillance methods because of what I don't know about the nature of the threats.
This kind of broad surveillance is no doubt useful in minimizing terrorist threats. So would be any number of other constitutionally dubious measures."When I use a word," Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, "it means just what I choose it to mean - neither more nor less."
"The question is," said Alice, "whether you can make words mean so many different things."
"The question is," said Humpty Dumpty, "which is to be master - that's all."
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I see that Verizon has issued a statement of "no comment." Is anyone else curious why they've been going along with this since 2006 with no discernable objection? I wonder what the fallout will be for them?"When I use a word," Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, "it means just what I choose it to mean - neither more nor less."
"The question is," said Alice, "whether you can make words mean so many different things."
"The question is," said Humpty Dumpty, "which is to be master - that's all."
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Originally posted by senorsheep View PostI see that Verizon has issued a statement of "no comment." Is anyone else curious why they've been going along with this since 2006 with no discernable objection? I wonder what the fallout will be for them?
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Originally posted by senorsheep View PostI see that Verizon has issued a statement of "no comment." Is anyone else curious why they've been going along with this since 2006 with no discernable objection? I wonder what the fallout will be for them?
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Originally posted by johnnya24 View PostThey do what they're told like the rest."When I use a word," Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, "it means just what I choose it to mean - neither more nor less."
"The question is," said Alice, "whether you can make words mean so many different things."
"The question is," said Humpty Dumpty, "which is to be master - that's all."
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Originally posted by Moonlight J View PostThey'll collect $150 for every person that attempts to cancel their contract. Profit engine for them!"When I use a word," Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, "it means just what I choose it to mean - neither more nor less."
"The question is," said Alice, "whether you can make words mean so many different things."
"The question is," said Humpty Dumpty, "which is to be master - that's all."
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Originally posted by heyelander View PostThat's a counterproductive argument isn't it?
True, but irrelevant. All citizens need to speak up when our government goes off course regardless of political party.
i pointed out in my first response that this thing is ridiculous. the patriot act is one of the worst pieces of governmental action to ever be foisted on the american people, and i'm ashamed and appalled that the obama administration has not only not gotten rid of it, but expanded it."Instead of all of this energy and effort directed at the war to end drugs, how about a little attention to drugs which will end war?" Albert Hofmann
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Originally posted by In the Corn View PostIt does make you wonder how this will play out with every senator knowing about this. I can't see how this helps any incumbent. They are just fortunate this is an off year for elections.
WASHINGTON—The Republican chairman of the House of Representatives Intelligence committee says the federal government's ongoing search of telephone records thwarted an attempted terrorist attack in the United States in the last few years.
Congressman Mike Rogers defended the telephone records collection at a news conference on Thursday. He said the information culled from the records enabled U.S. authorities to stop a “significant case.”
He declined to provide additional details but said he was in touch with U.S. officials about providing more information.It certainly feels that way. But I'm distrustful of that feeling and am curious about evidence.
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