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  • Originally posted by Erik View Post
    Thanks everyone!

    I don’t hate ABBA, but I don’t care enough about them to rank their songs.
    I already did. See post 867.

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    • These are the songs that made Rolling Stone's top 100 list (compiled in 2014) but not mine.

      14. Sugar Mountain
      18. Tired Eyes
      22. Out on the Weekend
      27. Human Highway
      28. Goin' Home
      31. I'm the Ocean
      44. Barstool Blues
      49. Sample and Hold (really?)
      50. Be the Rain (REALLY?)
      52. Stringman
      53. Campaigner
      57. Harvest
      58. Borrowed Tune
      59. Opera Star
      62. A Man Needs a Maid
      63. The Old Laughing Lady
      66. Journey through the Past
      67. Over and Over
      68. Will to Love (ReAlLy?)
      69. Mellow My Mind
      70. Flying on the Ground Is Wrong
      71. See the Sky About to Rain
      73. Last Trip to Tulsa
      77. Hitchhiker
      80. It's a Dream
      81. Bandit
      84. Roger and Out
      85. Out of Control
      88. Surfer Joe and Moe the Sleaze
      89. Eldorado
      90. Piece of Crap
      92. Throw Your Hatred Down
      93. Computer Age (THROWS KEYBOARD AT WALL)
      94. The Restless Consumer
      95. Old King (really, y'all?)
      96. Someday
      97. When God Made Me
      98. He Was the King
      99. Walk Like a Giant
      100. Homegrown

      The biggest issue I have with the RS list is that it prioritizes political/cultural factors over musical ones. There is way too much political/social material from bad albums (Greendale and Living with War, I'm looking at you). I'm sure there would have been egregious misplacements of Monsanto Years material had it existed in 2014. The list also assesses many post-1979 guitar epics in ways I expressly disagree with. Leaving off No More, Love and Only Love and No Hidden Path is inexcusable. In fact, Freedom and Ragged Glory are devalued in general and I don't understand why. And including two vocoder songs from Trans just seems like a desperate attempt to be different for its own sake.
      Originally posted by Kevin Seitzer
      We pinch ran for Altuve specifically to screw over Mith's fantasy team.

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      • I actually like Out on the Weekend more than Heart of Gold; I'd have also found a home for Barstool Blues. Love the last verse and the guitar solo at the end.

        But, yeah, you outdid RS by a wide, wide margin in terms of music quality.
        I'm just here for the baseball.

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        • No "Hawks and Doves"! Or did I miss it?
          "I lingered round them, under that benign sky: watched the moths fluttering among the heath and harebells, listened to the soft wind breathing through the grass, and wondered how any one could ever imagine unquiet slumbers for the sleepers in that quiet earth."

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          • I am trying to put together my own top 15.

            It is very difficult. One of the issues I have is that I am trying to determine how much influence the time of the song coming out should effect the list.

            An example would be Ohio. When it came out I was living the lyrics. It was powerful. It was amazing. It was one of the best songs at the time. It is still right at the top for me. But after all these years should it be my number one now?

            Fun exercise. I wonder what my final list will look like.

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            • Originally posted by Mithrandir View Post
              No "Hawks and Doves"! Or did I miss it?
              I really don’t care for side 2 of Hawks & Doves.
              Originally posted by Kevin Seitzer
              We pinch ran for Altuve specifically to screw over Mith's fantasy team.

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              • Originally posted by chancellor View Post
                I actually like Out on the Weekend more than Heart of Gold; I'd have also found a home for Barstool Blues. Love the last verse and the guitar solo at the end.

                But, yeah, you outdid RS by a wide, wide margin in terms of music quality.
                Thanks. So, for another board where I posted this, I also made a 102-204 list*. Both are on that.

                * - The number 204 is a thing there. The first person to post this kind of countdown did the Beatles, and they released 204 songs during their existence.
                Originally posted by Kevin Seitzer
                We pinch ran for Altuve specifically to screw over Mith's fantasy team.

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                • Originally posted by Gregg View Post
                  I am trying to put together my own top 15.

                  It is very difficult. One of the issues I have is that I am trying to determine how much influence the time of the song coming out should effect the list.

                  An example would be Ohio. When it came out I was living the lyrics. It was powerful. It was amazing. It was one of the best songs at the time. It is still right at the top for me. But after all these years should it be my number one now?

                  Fun exercise. I wonder what my final list will look like.
                  There is no wrong way to do this. I’d love to see your list if you ever make one.
                  Originally posted by Kevin Seitzer
                  We pinch ran for Altuve specifically to screw over Mith's fantasy team.

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                  • Originally posted by Erik View Post
                    I really don’t care for side 2 of Hawks & Doves.
                    I meant the song.
                    "I lingered round them, under that benign sky: watched the moths fluttering among the heath and harebells, listened to the soft wind breathing through the grass, and wondered how any one could ever imagine unquiet slumbers for the sleepers in that quiet earth."

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                    • 1. Powderfinger
                      2. Down by the River
                      3. Welfare Mothers
                      4. Like a Hurricane
                      5. After the Gold Rush
                      6. Tonight's the Night
                      7. Love and Only Love
                      8. Love to Burn
                      9. Ordinary People
                      10. Sugar Mountain
                      11. Hawks and Doves
                      12. Cortez the Killer
                      13. Ramada Inn
                      14. Hey Hey My My
                      15. Rockin in the Free World
                      "I lingered round them, under that benign sky: watched the moths fluttering among the heath and harebells, listened to the soft wind breathing through the grass, and wondered how any one could ever imagine unquiet slumbers for the sleepers in that quiet earth."

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                      • My top 15.

                        15-Cinnamon Girl
                        14-Broken Arrow
                        13-Only Love Can Break Your Heart
                        12-After the Gold Rush
                        11-Don’t let it Bring You Down
                        10-Southern Man
                        9-Needle and the Damage Done
                        8-Sugar Mountain
                        7-Cowgirl in the Sand
                        6-Heart of Gold
                        5-Hey Hey My My
                        4-Helpless
                        3-Long May You Run
                        2-Ohio
                        1-Old Man

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                        • Originally posted by Mithrandir View Post
                          I meant the song.
                          The song is on side 2!
                          Originally posted by Kevin Seitzer
                          We pinch ran for Altuve specifically to screw over Mith's fantasy team.

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                          • Originally posted by Mithrandir View Post
                            1. Powderfinger
                            2. Down by the River
                            3. Welfare Mothers
                            4. Like a Hurricane
                            5. After the Gold Rush
                            6. Tonight's the Night
                            7. Love and Only Love
                            8. Love to Burn
                            9. Ordinary People
                            10. Sugar Mountain
                            11. Hawks and Doves
                            12. Cortez the Killer
                            13. Ramada Inn
                            14. Hey Hey My My
                            15. Rockin in the Free World
                            Aside from Hawks and Doves I can't disagree with any of this. I'm not a huge fan of Sugar Mountain (it's #111 for me) because the lyrics are trite compared with his other iconic acoustic songs, and to me, lyrics matter more with the acoustic stuff than the electric stuff. But it's one of his greatest melodies. (And he wrote it in 1965 at age 20.) Side 2 of Hawks and Doves is just one long formulaic country song to me. What makes the title track stick out?
                            Originally posted by Kevin Seitzer
                            We pinch ran for Altuve specifically to screw over Mith's fantasy team.

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                            • Originally posted by Gregg View Post
                              My top 15.

                              15-Cinnamon Girl
                              14-Broken Arrow
                              13-Only Love Can Break Your Heart
                              12-After the Gold Rush
                              11-Don’t let it Bring You Down
                              10-Southern Man
                              9-Needle and the Damage Done
                              8-Sugar Mountain
                              7-Cowgirl in the Sand
                              6-Heart of Gold
                              5-Hey Hey My My
                              4-Helpless
                              3-Long May You Run
                              2-Ohio
                              1-Old Man
                              WHAT? Nothing from Time Fades Away?

                              Aside from Sugar Mountain, which I explained in my reaction to Mith's post, these all made my list and are great examples of what Neil can do.
                              Originally posted by Kevin Seitzer
                              We pinch ran for Altuve specifically to screw over Mith's fantasy team.

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                              • Originally posted by Erik View Post
                                Aside from Hawks and Doves I can't disagree with any of this. I'm not a huge fan of Sugar Mountain (it's #111 for me) because the lyrics are trite compared with his other iconic acoustic songs, and to me, lyrics matter more with the acoustic stuff than the electric stuff. But it's one of his greatest melodies. (And he wrote it in 1965 at age 20.) Side 2 of Hawks and Doves is just one long formulaic country song to me. What makes the title track stick out?
                                Neil writes You can't be 20 on Sugar Mountain though your thinking that you're leaving there too soon in 1965 at the age of 20.

                                The lyrics are not trite but of moving into the very real and hard world of adult hood. So much so that Joni Mitchell felt the need to write a song in reply to her friend Neil. That song is Circle Game.

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