View Poll Results: Who should win the NL MVP?

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  • Trea Turner - .328/.375/.536 - 28 HR, 77 RBI, 32 SB, 107 Runs - 6.8 fWAR

    7 36.84%
  • Bryce Harper - .309/.429/.615 - 35 HR, 84 RBI, 13 SB, 101 Runs - 6.6 fWAR

    1 5.26%
  • Juan Soto - .313/.465/.534 - 29 HR, 95 RBI, 9 SB, 111 Runs - 6.5 fWAR

    2 10.53%
  • Fernando Tatis Jr. - .282/.364/.611 - 42 HR, 97 RBI, 25 SB, 99 Runs - 6.3 fWAR

    9 47.37%
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    Quote Originally Posted by Todd Zola View Post
    Why? it shouldn't have any bearing.

    In full disclosure, I'm in the camp that the MVP does not need to play for a playoff-bound team. I see it as most outstanding player - or just the best player.
    I can understand a "best overall player" philosophy, but I just don't believe that *always* wins the award these days (and they have the Hank Aaron award for that), and often in the past it hasn't. I don't think that's changed much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by revo View Post
    I can understand a "best overall player" philosophy, but I just don't believe that *always* wins the award these days (and they have the Hank Aaron award for that), and often in the past it hasn't. I don't think that's changed much.
    The Hank Aaron Award is for the best hitter, not overall player. Even so, that doesn't answer why Turner's case is hurt by playing for two NL clubs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by revo View Post
    I can understand a "best overall player" philosophy, but I just don't believe that *always* wins the award these days
    Yup, this. Clearly, the winner needs to be a great player - and the NL MVP race has a good number of them. But the fame component will factor in too, and Tatis leads this field going away in charisma and fame.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Todd Zola View Post
    The Hank Aaron Award is for the best hitter, not overall player. Even so, that doesn't answer why Turner's case is hurt by playing for two NL clubs.
    A few reasons:
    - an MVP should have 'helped' the club win all season long; or, if not, been the spark of a tremendous run (i.e. Sutcliffe, McGwire, Sabathia, etc). You've said you don't think 'helping a club win' is a factor, so this probably doesn't mean anything to you, but it does to many, including those who vote;
    - It's arguable which late-season Dodger acquisition helped them more - Turner or Scherzer;
    - The Dodgers have many players who were MVP candidates pre-Turner's acquisition, such as Muncy & Bueller. They could dilute the "Dodger" vote;
    - an MVP has never been traded in-season. Of course, that could change, but that plays directly into the "helping your team win" idea. But that said, what if Turner was traded to an AL team instead of an NL team? Would he still be an MVP candidate? If not, why not, since you're just judging based on his overall stats?

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    Quote Originally Posted by revo View Post
    A few reasons:
    - an MVP should have 'helped' the club win all season long; or, if not, been the spark of a tremendous run (i.e. Sutcliffe, McGwire, Sabathia, etc). You've said you don't think 'helping a club win' is a factor, so this probably doesn't mean anything to you, but it does to many, including those who vote;
    - It's arguable which late-season Dodger acquisition helped them more - Turner or Scherzer;
    - The Dodgers have many players who were MVP candidates pre-Turner's acquisition, such as Muncy & Bueller. They could dilute the "Dodger" vote;
    - an MVP has never been traded in-season. Of course, that could change, but that plays directly into the "helping your team win" idea. But that said, what if Turner was traded to an AL team instead of an NL team? Would he still be an MVP candidate? If not, why not, since you're just judging based on his overall stats?
    My answer to the first three is my interpretation of value is irrespective of how it influences the team's stead. I realize it's non-conventional, but I'm not alone.

    The fourth is a flaw with the system with players switching leagues. That said, it's better for promotional purposes to have recipients in each league, so the trade-off is the odd "CC Sabathia" type year.
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    Every time a poll like this gets posted, a significant amount of respondents answer how they think the voters will respond. The question is who *should* win the MVP, not who you think others will vote for based on archaic and arbitrary concepts of "in the playoff hunt" or switching leagues. Go bold! Blaze your own path! Vote for who *you* think deserves it!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bene Futuis View Post
    Every time a poll like this gets posted, a significant amount of respondents answer how they think the voters will respond. The question is who *should* win the MVP, not who you think others will vote for based on archaic and arbitrary concepts of "in the playoff hunt" or switching leagues. Go bold! Blaze your own path! Vote for who *you* think deserves it!
    Coming from the guy who left Brandan Crawford off the poll. That is who should win IMO and honestly it makes no sense that he isn't listed.
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