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    Quote Originally Posted by The Feral Slasher View Post
    I agree with you on a lot. Not sure why you are afraid to answer the simple questions I asked. To be fair, I guess you sort of answered one of them.

    EDIT: 1) do you think Trump made an effort to subvert legitimate elections in the last election? 2) Do you think it is a legitimate concern that he/Republicans will try to subvert/steal future elections ?

    Did he knowingly try to overturn an election ? Were his actions anti-Democratic or illegal ?
    1) Yes
    2) Yes
    3) Yes
    4) Yes - his criminal actions make Richard Nixon look like a choirboy

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gregg View Post
    It has been a long time between impacts (the last one and the next one). How do you suppose we have made it this long? Given history it could be thousand of years or maybe millions right?
    this is a good question. I was always under the impression that the really big, planet level extinction events happened with some chronological regularity but I never really looked. so lets look.

    445 Million Years Ago: Ordovician Extinction: (2nd biggest extinction)
    the earliest known mass extinction, eliminating up to 60% of all life (including viruses) and up to 85% of marine species. most complex life lived in the sea. the oceans were depleted of oxygen. I think they consider it in two parts that lasted 40 million years. the earth went from being in a warm greenhouse state to an ice age. i think they say when it ended, earth fully recovered in 5 million years. it's thought the supercontinent Gondwana moved south and caused sea levels to rise and drop over millions of years destroying habitats. other culprits include volcanos, there was a drop in C02 from 7,000 ppm to 4,400 ppm. so I don't know. or it could've been a gamma ray burst as the initial deaths were from organisms near the surface. such a burst would instantaneously strip half the ozone layer of the earth exposing life to extreme UV. another theory is toxic metals on the sea floor dissolved in in the ocean killing things lower on the food chain like plankton resulting in starvation for the higher food chain guys. I don't see impact cited, but it can't be ruled out either.

    370 Million Years Ago: Late Devonian Extinction (75 million yrs later):
    they say this one lasted up to 25 million years and is also considered in two parts. some consider it to have 7 parts. this one also had a depletion of oxygen in the ocean and mostly only affected marine invertebrate life. the supercontinent Pangaea was starting to form. possible explanations range from asteroid impact -Siljan Ring in Sweden dates around then, and is one of the 15 biggest known impact craters on earth with a diameter of 32mi. this one also had loss of ozone, volcanic activity and possibly tectonic-driven climate change. a supernova or gamma ray burst has also been proposed.

    252 Million Years Ago: Permian-Triassic Extinction (the big one, 115 million yrs later):
    killed off up or between 80-95% marine species and 70% land species. containing some of the similar feature of the previous extinction events, yet, because these events were so long ago it's hard to say. possible causes are asteroid impact, volcanoes, gases from the sea floor.

    201 Million Years Ago: Triassic-Jurassic Extinction (50 years later):
    30% marine life died, and whatever was the competitor to dinosaurs was killed off, allowing dinosaurs to become the dominant land animal for the next 135 million years. many large impact craters are found around that period.

    66 Million Years Ago: Cretaceous-Paleogene Extinction (135 million years later):
    75 percent of species were lost.

    in summary, I was looking for a pattern of every 60-75 million years there is a mass extinction and it's not there. I wanted to say maybe there is an large dark object with a very large wacky 70 to 120 million year orbit around the sun that disrupts the Kuiper belt and or the Oort cloud. if the big 5 extinction events are due to impacts this would be the culprit. something disturbs it and things start flying inward toward us. I didn't believe in there being an unseen planet doing this, but after pretending to take the planet X or planet 9 theory seriously, it can't be ruled out. there are real scientists that take the idea seriously.


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    in Star Trek lingo they would say Voyager 2 performed a Klingon maneuver by Uranus.

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    a human lifespan is 80ish years; I don't think it's possible to truly conceive of what ten thousand years is - let alone one hundred of those back to back (ie. one million years)
    It certainly feels that way. But I'm distrustful of that feeling and am curious about evidence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TranaGreg View Post
    a human lifespan is 80ish years; I don't think it's possible to truly conceive of what ten thousand years is - let alone one hundred of those back to back (ie. one million years)
    or to put into shape what countless species has endured over half a billion years to build up to the triumph of today, with a handful of self-aware animals -and in the blink of an eye, in astronomical terms, can be lost; in millions of years of biological work, where each broad shoulder from the past we lean on and grow from, puts our current struggles into perspective.

    “For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.” Ephesians 6:12

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    Quote Originally Posted by nullnor View Post
    “For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.” Ephesians 6:12
    "Do the Right Thing" Spike Lee 19:89
    If I whisper my wicked marching orders into the ether with no regard to where or how they may bear fruit, I am blameless should a broken spirit carry those orders out upon the innocent, for it was not my hand that took the action merely my lips which let slip their darkest wish. ~Daniel Devereaux 2011

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    Quote Originally Posted by GwynnInTheHall View Post
    "Do the Right Thing" Spike Lee 19:89

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    it's like 5 degrees out right now. the cats have been really good lately, it's what i like about cold weather, herding cats is hard. yet, they lived outside for 2 or more years before me. they must've seen days like this. it's funny watching them when the weather drops below 30, they are like fuck that shit. if they don't come back soon i'm gonna have to go look for them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nullnor View Post
    Radio Raheem was played by Pittsburgh native Bill Nunn III. His father, is Pro Football HOFer Bill Nunn Jr., who worked for over 40 years as a scout for the Pittsburgh Steelers and won 6 Super Bowl rings. He was a huge part of turning the Steelers into a dynasty during the 1970's by discovering players from traditionally black colleges when other teams were ignoring them. It was at these black colleges that Nunn discovered Hall of Famers John Stallworth, Donnie Shell, and Mel Blount.

    His grandfather, Bill Nunn Sr., was the managing editor of the now defunct Pittsburgh Courier. The Courier was one of the most influential black newspapers in the country.
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