Miss Nevada - first transgender Miss USA Contestant

[Mithrandir]

Does it matter? Should it matter?

It's a touchy subject, because to disagree brings the wrath of the "woke culture" and be labeled a bigot or homophobic, etc..

It also can be a complex subject when it comes to sex, gender, etc.

This particular example is not that extreme to me, because the winner will be decided on beauty and there is no physical part of the competition. So if the transgender individual is the prettiest, then they win. If not, then they lose.

Will judges be compromised by the woke people who will rain down a deluge of name-calling, and perhaps more, upon the judges who do not vote for the transgender person?

[Sour Masher]

I think your point about it not involving physical competition but a judgment of aesthetics is key. I have no problem with a self-identified female that was born biologically male competing in a beauty contest. I made this point before about what straight men actually find attractive. For me, it is femininity and all of the classic attributes of a female. When some transgenders work at and present themselves as female, they can embody all of that. In fact, some people born as a man look more like a woman than some people born as a woman.

But if you wanna talk about sports, that is a different can of fish for me. I cannot wrap my head around arguments for transgender women competing in physically intensive sports that rely on strength. I don't care how long you have been on hormones, there are inherent advantages for someone born male for such sports. It makes it an unfair playing field. I do get the argument that young transgenders should be able to compete and have fun, but you have to think of the overall fairness of the competition and combat sports, track and field and the like are all activities that someone born male has an advantage at.

[TranaGreg]

how is "Miss anything" still a thing?

[Sour Masher]

Here is a pic for context:

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[Sour Masher]

how is "Miss anything" still a thing?

Well, that is a whole other thing, and yeah, I don't get it.

[madducks]

how is "Miss anything" still a thing?

For "pageant moms", it's their life's work.

[GwynnInTheHall]

Does it matter? Should it matter?

It's a touchy subject, because to disagree brings the wrath of the "woke culture" and be labeled a bigot or homophobic, etc..

It also can be a complex subject when it comes to sex, gender, etc.

This particular example is not that extreme to me, because the winner will be decided on beauty and there is no physical part of the competition. So if the transgender individual is the prettiest, then they win. If not, then they lose.

Will judges be compromised by the woke people who will rain down a deluge of name-calling, and perhaps more, upon the judges who do not vote for the transgender person?

It shouldn't matter, but it does. In the same way that being the first female VP shouldn't but because it's taken so long for people to finally get past "roles" and evaluate people on their abilities/character (well hopefully) When a 'first' happens, it's noteworthy.

Can I ask you why you believe being Woke is a bad thing?

[GwynnInTheHall]

I think your point about it not involving physical competition but a judgment of aesthetics is key. I have no problem with a self-identified female that was born biologically male competing in a beauty contest. I made this point before about what straight men actually find attractive. For me, it is femininity and all of the classic attributes of a female. When some transgenders work at and present themselves as female, they can embody all of that. In fact, some people born as a man look more like a woman than some people born as a woman.

But if you wanna talk about sports, that is a different can of fish for me. I cannot wrap my head around arguments for transgender women competing in physically intensive sports that rely on strength. I don't care how long you have been on hormones, there are inherent advantages for someone born male for such sports. It makes it an unfair playing field. I do get the argument that young transgenders should be able to compete and have fun, but you have to think of the overall fairness of the competition and combat sports, track and field and the like are all activities that someone born male has an advantage at.

Do you feel the same way about a Trans Man (biological female) competing in Men's Athletics? If not, why the difference?

[Bene Futuis]

Oh my gosh, woke culture mobs are name-calling and making everyone fearful for their lives! Time to clutch them pearls, boys. Clutch 'em real hard.

[Mithrandir]

I think your point about it not involving physical competition but a judgment of aesthetics is key. I have no problem with a self-identified female that was born biologically male competing in a beauty contest. I made this point before about what straight men actually find attractive. For me, it is femininity and all of the classic attributes of a female. When some transgenders work at and present themselves as female, they can embody all of that. In fact, some people born as a man look more like a woman than some people born as a woman.

But if you wanna talk about sports, that is a different can of fish for me. I cannot wrap my head around arguments for transgender women competing in physically intensive sports that rely on strength. I don't care how long you have been on hormones, there are inherent advantages for someone born male for such sports. It makes it an unfair playing field. I do get the argument that young transgenders should be able to compete and have fun, but you have to think of the overall fairness of the competition and combat sports, track and field and the like are all activities that someone born male has an advantage at.

Agree 100% with this.

[Mithrandir]

It shouldn't matter, but it does. In the same way that being the first female VP shouldn't but because it's taken so long for people to finally get past "roles" and evaluate people on their abilities/character (well hopefully) When a 'first' happens, it's noteworthy.

Can I ask you why you believe being Woke is a bad thing?

I do not believe that being Woke is a bad thing. I would consider myself very woke.

My problem with the woke crowd is when they refuse to see another point of view and proceed to pile onto the person opposing their viewpoint.

[Ken]

Do you feel the same way about a Trans Man (biological female) competing in Men's Athletics? If not, why the difference?

This one is probably a trap but there's concern to work through here that the physical testosterone differences provide a relative advantage in bone density and muscle mass/strength to those who are born male, right?

It's like asking why it's different for a freshman to play on a varsity team vs a senior playing on a freshman team. One is an advantage, the other is not.

[Mithrandir]

Oh my gosh, woke culture mobs are name-calling and making everyone fearful for their lives! Time to clutch them pearls, boys. Clutch 'em real hard.

Well I am on several websites/Facebook pages for my profession and when someone dare disagree with the woke crowd on the site, there has been so very harsh retribution. Attempts to destroy careers and good names.

So maybe just because you haven't experienced any woke culture mobs harassing you, doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

[GwynnInTheHall]

I do not believe that being Woke is a bad thing. I would consider myself very woke.

My problem with the woke crowd is when they refuse to see another point of view and proceed to pile onto the person opposing their viewpoint.

I'd really appreciate some specific examples or even one as though I have experiences a singular voice being unreasonable--I've yet to experience this "Crowd" you're referring to.

[Ken]

So maybe just because you haven't experienced any woke culture mobs harassing you, doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

Why does it seem like " and get off my lawn " belongs at the end here.