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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin Seitzer View Post
    I feel like during the Trump admin that you haven't talked here about what you actually believe in and care deeply about, that you've come to make clever points and little comments here and there. Which is fine if you want to engage with this forum that way. It isn't like Hot Button Topics is the United States Congress or the British parliament, or something of that import. But I don't know how to take your comments seriously when you don't ever take a stand for anything heartfelt or principled, and it's just about adding some little zinger or comeback to something someone else posted.
    Iím guilty of this as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ken View Post
    I’m guilty of this as well.
    I think this is an under appreciated aspect of the damage Trump has done. Being anti-Trump was satisfactory the last 4 years. But it doesn't do anything to make things better once he is gone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chancellor View Post
    Actually, youíre too generous. I did go low on GITH and Teenwolf, and regretted it. Itís one of the key reasons I changed my mode in here to very limited participation and mostly in fun.

    Donít worry, Iíll remain active in the Sports forums. Iím hoping to find time for a SP Tiers list this year and a general RP review; targeting early February.
    You'd have to get really low to get under me. :P
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Feral Slasher View Post
    I think this is an under appreciated aspect of the damage Trump has done. Being anti-Trump was satisfactory the last 4 years. But it doesn't do anything to make things better once he is gone.
    Gotta pull the plank outta our eye before we can get that speck o dust outta the other.
    If I whisper my wicked marching orders into the ether with no regard to where or how they may bear fruit, I am blameless should a broken spirit carry those orders out upon the innocent, for it was not my hand that took the action merely my lips which let slip their darkest wish. ~Daniel Devereaux 2011

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Feral Slasher View Post
    I think this is an under appreciated aspect of the damage Trump has done. Being anti-Trump was satisfactory the last 4 years. But it doesn't do anything to make things better once he is gone.
    We can still be anti-Hawley, anti-Cruz, anti-McConnell, anti-Graham, etc, etc. I think that uneducated voters who used to only vote in the Presidential election have now realized that the mid-terms are just as important if not more. They now realize that obstruction is the norm and mid-term elections are basically a vote to tie or untie the hands of the President.

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    Quote Originally Posted by madducks View Post
    We can still be anti-Hawley, anti-Cruz, anti-McConnell, anti-Graham, etc, etc..
    You are just making my point. I am not interested in who you are against. What are you for ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Feral Slasher View Post
    You are just making my point. I am not interested in who you are against. What are you for ?
    Untying the hands of the President by giving him a Congress that will work with him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by madducks View Post
    Untying the hands of the President by giving him a Congress that will work with him.
    well that is informative. What do you want him to work with congress to accomplish ? Or is it enough that he isn't trump ? What should Biden do ? Or does it even matter, since he isn't a Republican?

    EDIT: shouldn't we all believe in something and expect our government to accomplish it ? Just getting rid of Republicans is not nearly enough for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Feral Slasher View Post
    well that is informative. What do you want him to work with congress to accomplish ? Or is it enough that he isn't trump ? What should Biden do ? Or does it even matter, since he isn't a Republican?
    Medicare for All. Reduce Defense spending. Make the LGBTQ community constitutionally equal. Return regulatory protections for workers. Return protections to the environment. Forgive student debt. Free community college and vocational training. Tax the 1% and corporations at pre 80's levels. Overturn Citizens United. Scale back or eliminate the Patriot Act. Rejoin the Paris Climate accords. Renegotiate the Iran Nuke treaty. Create uniform election protocols for National Elections. Make DC and PR states. Expand the SCOTUS. Regulate Pharma prices. Decriminalize cannabis and all it's byproducts Federally. Expand environmental protections and implement stringent eco regulations to slow/reduce climate change. Rebuild relationships with our allies. Investigate and prosecute if ness anyone found complicit in the attacks on the Capitol. Designate, criminalize hate groups/speech. Restore/strengthen the separation of church and state. Ban assault rifles. require EVERY gun to be registered and enact strict gun laws to hold EVERY gun owner accountable for their weapon and it's safe storage, transport and use. Tax churches that use their pulpit to solicit political opinion. Enact regulations allowing Media to be sued for intentionally broadcasting/disseminating false information. Require businesses to pay a living wage in step with the local cost of living--If you work 40 hours a week, you should be able to afford rent, food, utilities, education and healthcare. Keep religion out of Public schools. Federal mandate for Masks until the Covid issue is in the rear mirror. Free Covid Vaccines to all citizens. Fix the immigration issues. Establish a National registry that tracks ALL law enforcement, prohibit the rehire of any discharged for violence or other nefarious actions. Get rid of, for profit prisons.


    That's just a few things off the top of my head.
    If I whisper my wicked marching orders into the ether with no regard to where or how they may bear fruit, I am blameless should a broken spirit carry those orders out upon the innocent, for it was not my hand that took the action merely my lips which let slip their darkest wish. ~Daniel Devereaux 2011

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin Seitzer View Post
    I appreciate the apology and the clarification.

    But I will also say that I am not very motivated to take your contributions in this forum seriously under those terms. Which again, is fine, if disappointing.

    Personally, I (attempt to) choose to quit engaging with those posters in this forum with whom I don't find the conversations productive and engage with those with whom I do. There's even an ignore function that helps with that. You obviously don't have to take the approach I've taken (not always perfectly), but you don't contribute much to this forum in the current mode, and that's disappointing to me because I think you could.

    Edit to add: I'm not sure what your purpose in being in this forum is. Maybe it's just blowing off steam or getting some cheap entertainment. But if you are trying to gently nudge people toward the truth and don't want to come out and actually advocate for a position because you think the resulting discussion will turn toxic, I will also say that pointing out "hey you might be wrong in this small way here" without actually saying what you yourself believe is not an approach that I think helps anyone change their viewpoints or beliefs. I've had my beliefs changed by people in this forum, but it was by people like B-Fly and eldiablo who advocated clearly for what they believed and explained why. It gave me a window into how other people lived and thought, and it was helpful in my own journey.
    The fact that chancellor continues to respond genuinely, and often in great detail, to my queries, after I viciously attacked him on here multiple times is a testament to his character. He values shared information over his own ego. Something many here could take a cue from.

    I find it funny that people think its pointless to post if you're not looking to sway the conversation. I'm really not looking to intentionally change anybody's mind, ever. I value the sharing of information and chancellor brings one of the most well informed opinions to the table on the fantasy side and the political, historical, etc. He also offers perspectives on mainstream Conservative talking points of the day without endorsing them as his own, which I would have little window into otherwise. I find this approach vastly superior to the conservatives that we used to see who shared their exact deplorable views in service of their egos and transparently trolling.

    I can sense how many ignore lists I'm on these days, and I wish I had more personal restraint to have avoided it.

    I keep a healthy ignore list, but I always read them anyway.... I just treat it as a continual "note to self: fuck this guy", but I still respond to them occasionally because I would like to believe I value sharing of information over personal disagreements.

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