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Originally posted by revo
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Ah, if you're saying that election fraud can't be proven under a legal standard, then I agree. I thought you meant that Trump's "They stole the election" canard was causally linked to the riot and that Trump by making that statement, under law, caused the riot. That part, as I said, should he have a lawyer smarter than a potato or Rudy (and that might be insulting to the potato), will be an easy win for Trump in a court. I'm sure the Dems will still impeach him, but if someone tries to go after Trump in a real court of law, they'll get stomped like bug on that charge.I'm just here for the baseball.
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wasn't a girl convicted of encouraging her boyfriend on social media to kill himself? Hasn't Trump encouraged violence on SM?Originally posted by chancellor View PostIf I whisper my wicked marching orders into the ether with no regard to where or how they may bear fruit, I am blameless should a broken spirit carry those orders out upon the innocent, for it was not my hand that took the action merely my lips which let slip their darkest wish. ~Daniel Devereaux 2011
Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.
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They had far stronger evidence in the suicide case - texts directly to the boyfriend, repeated, phone calls, and personal testimony. Causally linking his speech - and one point I do agree with revo on is the only possible tie is the "they stole the election" line - to the riots is a giant reach in the legal arena.Originally posted by GwynnInTheHall View Post
To Biden's credit, he's handled this one well - basically told the Dems on The Hill that if they want to impeach, go ahead, but he's not pushing for it. It's pretty apparent he and/or his advisers see this as a political loser.I'm just here for the baseball.Comment
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Are you saying that you don't think Trump caused/incited the riot, or just that you think he would get off legally on a technicality were he subject to the ordinary process of law?Originally posted by chancellor View Post"Jesus said to them, 'Truly I tell you, the tax collectors and the prostitutes are going into the kingdom of God ahead of you.'"Comment
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How is it a political loser when 57% want him removed from office? And Biden is a bit preoccupied to be wading in this cesspool.If DMT didn't exist we would have to invent it. There has to be a weirdest thing. Once we have the concept weird, there has to be a weirdest thing. And DMT is simply it.
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The only thing saving Trump from criminal prosecution for any number of crimes he's committed while in office is executive immunity. The only thing potentially saving Trump from being impeached by the House is --- well, nothing. I bet he's fucked there (again). The only thing saving him from being removed from office after his trial by the Senate (or the Senate voting after Biden starts his term to complete the impeachment process with 2/3 vote) is the craven nature of the worthless Republicans in office. As of now, there is nothing saving Trump from crimes committed while not in office, assuming no statute of limitations issues.
Edit: The lying moron has been impeached again by the House.
Edit 2: If I had to guess whether he would be convicted on a charge of incitement based on the evil that a) always spews forth from his anus of a mouth or, b) the evil that spewed forth from his mouth on January 6th, I would guess that he would be acquitted. Still, that has nothing to do with whether he could or should be impeached.More American children die by gunfire in a year than on-duty police officers and active duty military.Comment
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Oh, just the election fraud nonsense. As far as proving if *he* caused the riots, I'm sure a crafty lawyer could get him out of it. The real question is, what lawyers would touch him? Seems like just the Rudy Giuliani/Lin Wood/Sidney Powell's of the world.Originally posted by chancellor View PostComment
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He'd get off legally. Wouldn't even be a technicality. Heck, if it were a jury trial, the judge would give a directed not guilty verdict.Originally posted by Kevin Seitzer View PostI'm just here for the baseball.Comment
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I seriously doubt that.Originally posted by chancellor View PostMore American children die by gunfire in a year than on-duty police officers and active duty military.Comment
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Simple - he'll be removed from office in a week. And the case is a loser. Loser case, waste of time, gone before you know it. That's not a formula for political success.Originally posted by DMT View PostI'm just here for the baseball.Comment
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I don't think anyone is discussing political success. Ok someone was, lolOriginally posted by chancellor View Post---------------------------------------------
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The point of my question was to find out what you actually think about Trump's speech on January 6 and the events that followed at the Capitol, not for you to make a debate point. You make a lot of clever points in this forum, but I don't know what you actually stand FOR. I get that wordplay and cleverness is a thing we do here. I do it, too. Guys like Feral Slasher do a lot of it. But I also know what Feral cares about and what his principles are. I know, despite his "I disagree" schtick and other stuff like that, that he bemoans the extent to which our country worships the military and feeds the defense budget to the result of constant war and empire around the world, for instance.Originally posted by chancellor View Post
I feel like during the Trump admin that you haven't talked here about what you actually believe in and care deeply about, that you've come to make clever points and little comments here and there. Which is fine if you want to engage with this forum that way. It isn't like Hot Button Topics is the United States Congress or the British parliament, or something of that import. But I don't know how to take your comments seriously when you don't ever take a stand for anything heartfelt or principled, and it's just about adding some little zinger or comeback to something someone else posted."Jesus said to them, 'Truly I tell you, the tax collectors and the prostitutes are going into the kingdom of God ahead of you.'"Comment
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and two more off duty cops arrested for their part.If I whisper my wicked marching orders into the ether with no regard to where or how they may bear fruit, I am blameless should a broken spirit carry those orders out upon the innocent, for it was not my hand that took the action merely my lips which let slip their darkest wish. ~Daniel Devereaux 2011
Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.
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First off, I apologize, since I apparently came off that way. I read your question as a pretty direct one and a pretty much either/or answer. I misunderstood, and my answer must have appeared snarky. That was not my intent.Originally posted by Kevin Seitzer View Post
You are correct that I post little in depth in here anymore. Stopped circa 2017 on that; the toxicity just wasn't worth it.You make a lot of clever points in this forum, but I don't know what you actually stand FOR.I'm just here for the baseball.Comment
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he's just here for baseball
and snark.
If I whisper my wicked marching orders into the ether with no regard to where or how they may bear fruit, I am blameless should a broken spirit carry those orders out upon the innocent, for it was not my hand that took the action merely my lips which let slip their darkest wish. ~Daniel Devereaux 2011
Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.
Martin Luther King, Jr.Comment
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