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Thread: When to take your foot off the gas--Trading for Nola as a Luxury

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    I own Pablo for 1 - and would walk barefoot across broken glass to grab Garcia in those parameters.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sour Masher View Post
    I am still in the playoffs and do not want to jinx it with Pablo pitching well for me, but the Deivi Garcia owner has offered to swap him for my $2 Pablo Lopez in the off-season. Garcia would be free next year and $5 once called up. Which would you prefer?
    In the off-season? I grab Deivi Garcia and down a good beer in celebration.

    Pablo Lopez is a good pitcher - and he's done some serious work to improve himself, and the results have shown and are legit. But even with that, he's still a 4ish ERA (with some improvement upside based on FIP), 8.5-9.0 K/9, 2.5 BB/9, mid 1.2ish WHIP (with some improvement upside to low 1.2s) pitcher with a decent defense and good park to pitch in. Solid guy, nice plug and play type, good #3-4 fantasy SP.

    But Deivi Garcia has monster upside - #1 SP potential - and even if he wouldn't quite hit that, he has a vastly better offense and bullpen backing him up. And he's still free next year? Nice.
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    I guess I have the short pitcher bias, and a fear of what that bandbox can do to the era of less-than-ace level starters. JJ and Chance, is your take on this based on his minors track record or his performance in the majors this year? Prospect reports don't have him with that ace upside, with some places leaving him off their top 100 lists, but maybe that is largely based on his size.

    ETA: But yeah, I wanna say yes to this, just not sure it matters right now, cuz a trade can't be official until the offseason. A bad start by Pablo and he might get cold feet. I guess saying yes puts the onus on him to back out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sour Masher View Post
    I guess I have the short pitcher bias, and a fear of what that bandbox can do to the era of less-than-ace level starters. JJ and Chance, is your take on this based on his minors track record or his performance in the majors this year? Prospect reports don't have him with that ace upside, with some places leaving him off their top 100 lists, but maybe that is largely based on his size.

    ETA: But yeah, I wanna say yes to this, just not sure it matters right now, cuz a trade can't be official until the offseason. A bad start by Pablo and he might get cold feet. I guess saying yes puts the onus on him to back out.
    I think part of it is size, part of it was his first run at AAA competition, and part of it is he's not a 99 MPH fastball guy. But his FB is up 2 MPH in two years (also with great spin rate), his curveball is elite (off the charts spin rate), and he's really nailed down his change. And he's only 21, so he's likely a fixture in the Yankees rotation for a while.

    There's a lot of other intangibles I really like about him - he's worked hard at his craft by all accounts (he's now working on a slider), really improved his command (likely by stopping trying to strike everyone out), and sure has good presence for such a young player.

    Per your question about minors/majors performance, my answer is both. He showed very elite K rates early in in minor league career, though his walk rates were higher than they should have been. I liked his response to his less than great start to AAA ball - working hard at turning his change into a usable pitch, and it's paid off. His mechanics are cleaner and more repeatable.
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    Deal is tentatively done. Here is hoping Pablo does well to help me win ros, and to not blow up this deal .

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    his poise is ridiculous for his age.
    entering 37th yr in 12-team NL 5x5 - in 2021, after a year off
    won in 2017 15 07 05 04 02 93 90 84

    2021 37th-year Rotissierie keeper candidates
    SP - Scherzer 44-S1, Marquez 10-S1, CSmith 1-O, Cueto 1-S1, Samardzija 1-S1
    RP -
    INF - C Realmuto 13-O, 1O Belt 10-S1, 1O Cooper 10-S1, SS Crawford 9-S1
    OF - CDickerson 17-S1
    FARM - HRamos, Baty, Niedert, JOrtiz
    have first pick in mid-April farm draft

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    You guys got me thinking I did good here. Now I am nervous it will fall through. Good thing he doesn't read this forum .

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    Gah, just got a screenshot text from a mutual friend showing me he is asking the 3rd party if he should do the deal. Gah, this is why I didn't like that he made this offer to me now when I couldn't just say yes. I also never know how coy to be with this guy. If you say yes too fast, he always starts to worry he is missing something. I thought by waiting a couple of days, I'd saved myself from that. I guess I should have waited a couple of more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sour Masher View Post
    Gah, just got a screenshot text from a mutual friend showing me he is asking the 3rd party if he should do the deal. Gah, this is why I didn't like that he made this offer to me now when I couldn't just say yes. I also never know how coy to be with this guy. If you say yes too fast, he always starts to worry he is missing something. I thought by waiting a couple of days, I'd saved myself from that. I guess I should have waited a couple of more.
    Just bribe the third party to tell him to jump on the deal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by virgonomic View Post
    Just bribe the third party to tell him to jump on the deal.
    Ha, I would, but he wants it to fall through, because if I don't trade Pablo, I will trade him Ramon Laureano, as I have a 16th keeper I want to keep. He knows if I trade Pablo, I will probably just keep Laureano. But this is also why the Garcia owner should not be asking him. He only did, because he is a resident Marlins fan and guru.

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