Let's Play Two Dynasty League Discussion

[KnuckleBalls]

This is a fun draft with the minors draft being separated and so many Really Good owners. My KDS theory was to try for 1 with the hope of 6 or 7 if I didn't win the lottery. I got my 5th choice as I went 1,2,3,6,7. I figured it would be between mookie, frankie and vlad jr. and had my heart set on my hometown(not for long) kid Lindor. I crossed vlad jr. off my list as I have a rule not to draft any player who's waist size is bigger than mine Wanted to stay young in this draft as I was sooooooooo old in the first. Alonso's power was too intriguing for me even with the meh average. I do think he has the tools and approach to improve on average while maintaining the power. Round 3 I was determined to stay young and was hoping for Lux or Luzardo. Lux looks like another Lindor and am hopeful he produces close to that level. Where we go from here is anybodys guess. My goal is to stay young but I see some old speed bumps ahead I may not be able to pass by.

[KnuckleBalls]

I thought long and hard about Kiura before deciding I didn't like 1B that much and thought I'd better get that out of the way

[Ken]

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1nntLs_EqOAh7EcVk3s9keqUfbW17KvG0/view?usp=sharing

Keith

21,20,23,22,4,3,12,6,11,10,9,8,7,5,15,26,25,28,29, 27,24,30,31,32,13,18,17,16,14,33,34,35,36,1,2,19
21 was a smart move here, he wanted a premium minor league talent, but he knew fighting over 19 was going to be difficult. He almost had pick 21 had Brent not gone for the same strategy.
Keith lost the tiebreaker to Brent since his 3rd pick, 23, was still available after the first pass. And indeed, that’s the pick he got.
For his mlb pick Keith had ranked 4,3,12, and obviously the 12 pick was higher than expected, because he prioritized 12, Keith was able to get both his 3rd overall choice and his 7th.
12th in mlb and 5th in the minors looks like an average result, but those were high on his list, so, looks like Keith got what he wanted.

Drew/Randall

2,1,4,3,19,20,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,21,22,23,24,25 ,26,27,28,18,17,16,15,14,36,35,34,33,32,31,30,29
Drew and Randall were going for a top 2 pick here, although there was some competition for that. Surprisingly only Nate had chosen 2 as well. And Nate had 22 as his 2nd choice which made Drew/Randall’s large fall after 2 (1,4,3,19,20 all taken) give them the pick they wanted pretty easily.
On the minors side, they had 19 and 20 within their top 6, but those were long gone. Then they had 21-28 in the 16th – 23rd slots, but even those spots were low relative to competition. Drew and Randall then pushed up the end of the minors draft putting 36-29 in reverse order, and with a couple other teams doing the same (at higher priority), they got pick 34.
2nd in mlb, 16th in minors. Looks like a normal distribution and they got their #1 option.

Steve Conn

19,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,18,17,16,15,20 ,21,22,23,24,25,26,27,28,29,30,36,35,34,31,32,33
Well, apparently the Steve name was tainted, neither Steve got his favorite picks. Probably because the orders were not particularly creative. Conn put 19 first and then ordered everything else almost sequentially with only some reverse orders at the end of each section. In the battle for 19, he lost to Andy because Andy had 20 and 21 higher which pushed down the pick that he was going to fall to. So Steve ended up all the way down at 10 before he could beat another priority list.
Then, on the minors side, Steve’s minors picks were at the very end of his order, so he lost multiple tiebreakers in order to end up finally at pick 12 in the minors draft.
11th in mlb, 12th in minors. Unfortunately, even in KDS someone has to lose, and in this case it was the Steves!

Doig

1,2,3,19,8,4,20,9,5,7,6,21,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17 ,18,22,23,24,25,26,27,28,29,30,31,32,33,34,35,36
Doig went for some typical picks at the top with 1,2,3,19, but then he had 8 higher than any other list. I told him when he submitted that the 8 looked pretty likely. He lost the coinflip tiebreaker for 1 but getting your 5th choice isn’t too bad. My understanding now is that it was a play for Tatis, although unfortunately that did not work (Betts is a great alternative).
On the minors side, Doig had place 19,20, and 21 interspersed in the top of his list but unfortunately those had gone out immediately. So he was down to the bottom of his list where he had the rest of the minors sequential. Doig ended up with pick 13, basically the leftovers after those who wanted the top, and those who were okay with the turn on the minors side.
8 and 13 is a typical order you’d get though a snake draft, so Doig was not a big winner here but not a big lose either, being near the middle of each draft.

Brent

21,20,19,1,2,22,23,24,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,25,26,27,18 ,17,16,28,29,30,31,32,33,34,35,36,11,12,13,14,15
Brent went with a similar strategy to Keith, going for a top 3 minors pick, but by throwing 1,2 into the mix he helped himself here. His fall to 22 would have been his 6th option, and that was a larger fall than Keith’s 3rd option, so Brent won the 3rd pick in the minors draft, his #1 preference.
On the mlb side, he had ordered his choices sequentially through 10 after those 1,2 preferences. But those were all taken by teams that had mlb preferences at the top, so he fell down the point where he had preferred the turn, with 18 being his 20th preference.
3rd in minors, 18th in mlb. Not the best on the mlb side, but when you get your #1 choice overall (3rd in the minors), there is not much complaining typically.

Ken/Byron

4,1,5,3,2,6,22,19,20,21,23,7,8,9,25,26,24,27,10,11 ,12,30,29,28,13,14,32,31,18,36,15,33,17,35,34,16
I guess I’m pretty familiar with this list! I had submitted this list to Keith before we started. Being familiar with how these typically go was no doubt somewhat of an advantage. I had talked briefly to Byron and we had agreed that the top 5 area of both minors and milb was really where the first tier fell off for us, so we prioritized that area. I wanted Acuna, but I didn’t think it was a good idea to go into that lotto, so I put 4 first and 5 within my top 3 hoping to have a chance at one of Yelich/Soto/Bellinger. I was a little surprised that no one else did prioritize the 4/5 area but happy that it worked out, and we got our first option with no competition.
On the minors side, obviously that 22, 19, 20 was an attempt to get in the top 4 there as well, but obviously those selections were pretty highly sought after. I mixed up the selections in a few places to try to push up some numbers, and the 25/26/24 mix worked out with 25 hitting, giving us the 7th pick in the minors. If we had not hit there, 30 was likely as the 30/29/28 area next would have hit.
Pretty happy with 4th/7th, that is a very lucky spot to hit, and we cannot complain at all. Starting out with Soto is a great anchor for our team, which makes this fun.

Rick

3,19,6,8,7,9,20,10,2,4,5,1,23,24,11,12,21,25,26,28 ,27,22,30,29,32,31,33,34,35,36,13,18,17,14,15,16
Rick pushed for 3, which to my understanding was a Soto play, but lost the tiebreaker to Shawn since Rick’s 3rd option 6, was available for him. Luckily, he did win 6 where he noted he was fine with sitting after the top 5 obvious picks.
On the minors side he prioritized 20, but that was long gone in the 2nd pass, and 23 and 24 were too low on his list to realistically hit. Eventually Rick won out on 27, which is the 9th pick in the minors.
Pick 6 and pick 9, while getting one your top 3 options, is another big winner here, good list Rick!

Glen

19,20,21,22,23,24,25,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15 ,16,17,18,26,27,28,29,30,31,32,33,34,35,36,3,2,1
Heavy minors play here with the top 7 minors picks before considering mlb. Glen originally lost the tiebreaker for 19 to Andy because 22 was still available after analysis of top options from each team. However, he lost again on the 2nd pass to Nate, who had pick 22 2nd and Keith, who had pick 23 3rd. So, pick 24 was Glen’s – 6th in the minors.
On the mlb side, Glen had prioritized the 4/5 area but those were long gone. He slid down to 13 since most of his top mlb picks were gone on the first pass.
6th in minors, 13rd in mlb, looks a lot like Doig’s options but in reverse.

Ryan

20,19,21,22,23,4,5,6,7,24,25,26,1,2,3,8,9,10,11,12 ,13,14,15,16,17,18,27,28,29,30,31,32,33,34,35,36
Another minors play, but this time 20 was unique. Easy win for the 2nd overall minors slot and good strategy there.
On the mlb side, 4-7 were high on his list but those were all gone by the time he got to pick again. The rest were basically in order and he slid down to 14 due to tiebreakers which other teams that did not prioritize minors as highly.
14th mlb, 2nd pick in the minors again looks like good distribution and a happy customer since he got his preferred spot.

Eddie

1,2,3,4,8,9,10,5,6,11,7,12,13,19,20,36,35,34,21,22 ,23,14,18,17,15,16,24,25,26,27,28,33,32,31,29,30
Sequential at the top although he preferred 8,9,10 over the middle area. The 8,9,10 caused him to lose the tiebreaker for 1, since he would not fall too far to that area. Doig beat him out on 8, but that left him 9, his 6th preference.
Eddie scattered some minors picks in the middle of his list, but also showed a preference for the turn with 36 and 35 relatively high. That strategy won him a sop on that turn with pick 35.
9th and 35 is not the best but these seemed to be areas he was shooting for based on how the list was ordered, with both of those spots higher than on most lists.

Chris

1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,19,20,21,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17 ,18,22,23,24,25,26,27,28,29,30,31,32,33,34,35,36
Pretty straight forward at the top, just a sequential list through 9, but Chris was the big winner on the tiebreaker. It was a coinflip with Doig and Steve W, and Chris was the lucky winner due to a math formula against the pick numbers and the CBS order.
On the minors side he had listed 19,20,21 but those were a pipedream, and he got his 32nd favorite choice with pick 14 in the minors after some tiebreaker losses.
1st overall in mlb, 14th in minors, seems relatively fair, although starting a Dynasty with Acuna is nice.

Shawn

3,21,4,22,5,6,24,2,23,20,19,18,1,36,17,35,16,34,15 ,33,14,32,13,31,12,30,11,29,10,28,9,27,8,26,7,25
Very interesting list, alternating some good strategic picks in the top 3 of the mlb and minors drafts. Shawn got his wish on the mlb side, tying with Rick but winning the tiebreaker since 21 and 4 would be gone.
Shawn had placed several of his minors picks highly but lost on tiebreakers until he got to pick 36 near the middle of his list. Most had not pushed up the turn in the minors that highly, so he won the turn.
3rd in mlb, 18th in minors, good distribution, and good strategy here.

Nate

2,22,6,27,9,33,17,35,11,29,8,30,12,20,4,19,16,23,1 8,31,1,26,10,3,25,5,28,7,36,24,13,34,15,21,14,32
One of only two teams to go for that Trout spot. Nate had a unique list, but actually lost that top option due to the 22 in the 2nd preference. That was a unique play and he got that option, placing him in the top 4 of the minors draft.
On the mlb side, he had interspersed some good plays with 6 and 9 but lost those. 17 was a high pick here, and he got it, near the turn on the mlb side.
Like Keith, Nate got 2 of his top 7 preferences, and 4th in minors and 17th in mlb works out reasonably well. Based on his preferences, he looks like another winner here.

Rob

1,4,5,3,6,19,7,20,21,22,9,8,10,11,16,17,18,12,23,1 3,14,15,24,25,26,27,28,29,30,31,36,35,34,33,32,2
1,4,5,3 is a list I can understand. I like that area of the draft too. Rob did not win the Acuna lottery since 5 being in his top 3 was a relatively small dropoff. And he won pick 5 on the next iteration giving him his 3rd preference.
On the minors side he had tried for 20,21, 22 but those were gone. Rob fell to the bottom area of his list after some lost tiebreakers and ended up with pick 11 in the minors.
5th overall in mlb and 11th in minors is above average and hard to complain about, good list Rob.

Andy

19,20,21,1,2,3,4,5,6,22,23,24,25,26,7,8,9,10,11,12 ,13,14,15,16,17,18,27,28,29,30,31,32,33,34,35,36
Well, Andy’s “weiner circle” team name was a sign of things to come here, if you will. Three teams tried for the Franco lotto, but Andy won due to pushing the 20/21/1/2/3/4 picks up. Since he had those in place, his fall would be larger than a few other teams, so Andy won.
On the mlb side, Andy had the biggest fall, all the way down to his 23rd preference in slot 15. He lost several tiebreakers since his mlb picks were lower than others’, but it looks like that was the strategy here to get Franco. If so, good move.
1st pick in the minors, 15th in mlb, good list.

Adam

1,19,5,4,3,2,16,15,14,13,28,27,26,25,24,23,22,21,2 0,12,11,10,9,8,7,6,36,35,34,33,32,31,30,29,17,18
Adam was trying for one of the top picks or top 5 in mlb, which unfortunately failed. He lost the Acuna lotto since he had pick 5 as his 3rd option, but so did Rob, and Rob won that tiebreaker. Adam had 16 higher than any other team, so he got that pick easily.
In the minors, Adam again had a unique pick here with 28 as his preference, so pick 10 was Adam’s without much competition.
Gotta say this was a unique one, Adam got his 7th and 11th option, which sounds pretty good, but pick 16 in mlb and 10 in minors does not sound great. I am not sure what to make of this one.

Dennis

1,2,3,6,7,19,20,21,22,23,24,8,9,18,17,16,25,26,27, 28,29,30,31,32,33,34,35,36,10,11,12,13,14,15,5,4
Typical start, although 6 and 7 are higher than most lists. Dennis didn’t win the Acuna lotto since he had those 6 and 7 available to him. He lost pick 6 to Rick but pick 7 was available and Dennis got it.
On the minors side he did not get a top pick, since you had to put those at the top, but he only fell to pick 8.
With pick 7 and pick 8, he is ahead of the curve on both drafts, so we have to call Dennis a slight winner here.

Steve W

Steve was not able to spend time on a list, so he submitted 1-36 in order.
The lack of unique picks cost him, as he fell to 10 on the mlb side first. And then without prioritizing anything minors he only picks ahead of those who wanted the turn, with the 15th pick in the minors.
Another Steve, which apparently was punished for not having a unique enough name. These guys were both “unlucky” although again this was due to lack of unique picks. 10th in mlb and 15th in minors for Steve W.

[cavebird]

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1nnt...ew?usp=sharing

Adam

1,19,5,4,3,2,16,15,14,13,28,27,26,25,24,23,22,21,2 0,12,11,10,9,8,7,6,36,35,34,33,32,31,30,29,17,18
Adam was trying for one of the top picks or top 5 in mlb, which unfortunately failed. He lost the Acuna lotto since he had pick 5 as his 3rd option, but so did Rob, and Rob won that tiebreaker. Adam had 16 higher than any other team, so he got that pick easily.
In the minors, Adam again had a unique pick here with 28 as his preference, so pick 10 was Adam’s without much competition.
Gotta say this was a unique one, Adam got his 7th and 11th option, which sounds pretty good, but pick 16 in mlb and 10 in minors does not sound great. I am not sure what to make of this one.

The minors idea was simple---I tried my hand in the Franco sweepstakes at #2. After that, I saw 9 other guys I really liked. My top tier had 10 players, so I went for the end of that to get the best second round pick I could while still getting one of my top 10. The idea was the same in the majors. I wanted top 5 for the obvious reasons, but after that, I didn't see much difference between 6 and 16--I don't think Mookie's skill set ages well, I worry about Tatis's K's, and other other ones up there don't impress me that much. Hell, Arenado fell to me at #16, where I had him top 10 (but not much different than 11-16), so he was the one in my top 16 who made it to me. Hell, I might have taken Arenado at #10, and this way I got a better second round pick. It is just where my really quickly thought up tiers ended. Since I joined and we started all very quickly while I was still gaming out (poorly) the end of VD 14 (at least not picking poorly), it was sort of a quick and dirty calculation, but I am pleasantly surprised with Arenado, Freeman, Machado, and Scherzer in the first four rounds.

[frae]

I used round 3 and 4 to build my pitching staff. After I took Torres in round 2 I worried there might be a run and I'd get shut out. DeGrom, Bieber, Flaherty, Verlander, Paddack, Giolito, Luzzardo and Clevinger all went before my 3.12 pick. That left me with a choice of Kris Bryant or Luis Castillo. I had Castillo and Strasburg as the last two pitchers I really wanted and was worried both would go on the turn and I'd be left pushing someone up or going all hitting. In round 3 I grabbed Castillo. I then put Marte and Bell in my queue and had no expectation of Stras or Bryant coming back. To my surprise, the only pitchers to go around the turn were Snell, Scherzer, and Nola. Chapman (another guy I liked) and Bryant went, but Bell and Marte were there. In the end, I couldn't pass on Stras. It gives me an anchored pitching staff and I think the cliff for pitching is coming soon.

Through 4
1.12 Trea Turner
2.7 Gleyber Torres
3.12 Luis Castillo
4.7 Stephen Strasburg

[Ken]

The minors idea was simple---I tried my hand in the Franco sweepstakes at #2. After that, I saw 9 other guys I really liked. My top tier had 10 players, so I went for the end of that to get the best second round pick I could while still getting one of my top 10. The idea was the same in the majors. I wanted top 5 for the obvious reasons, but after that, I didn't see much difference between 6 and 16--I don't think Mookie's skill set ages well, I worry about Tatis's K's, and other other ones up there don't impress me that much. Hell, Arenado fell to me at #16, where I had him top 10 (but not much different than 11-16), so he was the one in my top 16 who made it to me. Hell, I might have taken Arenado at #10, and this way I got a better second round pick. It is just where my really quickly thought up tiers ended. Since I joined and we started all very quickly while I was still gaming out (poorly) the end of VD 14 (at least not picking poorly), it was sort of a quick and dirty calculation, but I am pleasantly surprised with Arenado, Freeman, Machado, and Scherzer in the first four rounds.

That makes sense. I'm glad you got the picks you wanted and I agree that looking at the end of tiers is the right approach.

[gcstomp]

doig, you have same start i had in dynasty 1, mookie, rendon. our 3rd pick was wildly different, though different format. I would hope everyone feels pretty good with picks so far and this being our 2nd go around, we all have a bit better edge to our picks imo. we had more head scratchers in 1st go around.

[GwynnInTheHall]

doig, you have same start i had in dynasty 1, mookie, rendon. our 3rd pick was wildly different, though different format. I would hope everyone feels pretty good with picks so far and this being our 2nd go around, we all have a bit better edge to our picks imo. we had more head scratchers in 1st go around.

The subtraction of the minor leaguers has changed the dynamic tremendously. Also owners seem to be all over the place rather than divided into win now vs build for the future camps. Avg vs OBP also seems to skew picks a bit. Again, Mo0okie, Rendon and Mondesi gives me a bit of balance throughout the building blocks of my offense. I almost went Olson with that last pick which would have been on par with your Adell pick. So we are thinking somewhat the same--I also think the head scratchers this time around are coming from picks who seemed to go later in the first draft, by people who might think they have to jump early (see Meadows) I love Meadows at 40ish, not so much at 20ish, but that's why we play the game right!

[kracker]

I used round 3 and 4 to build my pitching staff. After I took Torres in round 2 I worried there might be a run and I'd get shut out. DeGrom, Bieber, Flaherty, Verlander, Paddack, Giolito, Luzzardo and Clevinger all went before my 3.12 pick. That left me with a choice of Kris Bryant or Luis Castillo. I had Castillo and Strasburg as the last two pitchers I really wanted and was worried both would go on the turn and I'd be left pushing someone up or going all hitting. In round 3 I grabbed Castillo. I then put Marte and Bell in my queue and had no expectation of Stras or Bryant coming back. To my surprise, the only pitchers to go around the turn were Snell, Scherzer, and Nola. Chapman (another guy I liked) and Bryant went, but Bell and Marte were there. In the end, I couldn't pass on Stras. It gives me an anchored pitching staff and I think the cliff for pitching is coming soon.

Through 4
1.12 Trea Turner
2.7 Gleyber Torres
3.12 Luis Castillo
4.7 Stephen Strasburg

Love this team so far Keith. Nice balance of dynasty players(Torres’s/Castillo)and players who will perform and won’t hurt the dynasty feel.

[frae]

Love this team so far Keith. Nice balance of dynasty players(Torres’s/Castillo)and players who will perform and won’t hurt the dynasty feel.

Thanks, Shawn everyone is building good teams with slightly different plans.

Round 5 gave me the chance to grab multi-position eligible Max Muncy and as the turn went I was locked in on Kershaw or Gallen. Both went right before my turn so I pivoted and took the best young relief pitcher in Josh Hader. It is holds plus saves and I actually think that benefits Hader since he will always pitch high leverage even if they move him out of save chances. All the K's and ratios, won't take another relief pitcher for a long time now.

[GwynnInTheHall]

Thanks, Shawn everyone is building good teams with slightly different plans.

Round 5 gave me the chance to grab multi-position eligible Max Muncy and as the turn went I was locked in on Kershaw or Gallen. Both went right before my turn so I pivoted and took the best young relief pitcher in Josh Hader. It is holds plus saves and I actually think that benefits Hader since he will always pitch high leverage even if they move him out of save chances. All the K's and ratios, won't take another relief pitcher for a long time now.

I had Gallen and Hader queued, then had to pivot so I chose to go back to hitting--thus Rhys. A Lot can happen 2-4 picks before you get a shot. especially in this league of owners.

[cavebird]

Thanks, Shawn everyone is building good teams with slightly different plans.

Round 5 gave me the chance to grab multi-position eligible Max Muncy and as the turn went I was locked in on Kershaw or Gallen. Both went right before my turn so I pivoted and took the best young relief pitcher in Josh Hader. It is holds plus saves and I actually think that benefits Hader since he will always pitch high leverage even if they move him out of save chances. All the K's and ratios, won't take another relief pitcher for a long time now.

This is holds plus saves??? I didn't know that, lol. Good thing I read this before taking a reliever.

[frae]

This is holds plus saves??? I didn't know that, lol. Good thing I read this before taking a reliever.

haha, yeah you should do another reading of the rules

[frae]

Used round 7 and 8 to get some veteran hitters. In round 7 I grabbed Tommy Pham to give me my first OF and a speed power guy. On the way around the turn I decided 3B was getting ugly and while Donaldson is 34 he is signed through 2023 with a club option in 2024. So after 8 rounds I have...

1b Muncy
2b G Torres
SS T Turner
3b J Donaldson
OF T Pham

P L Castillo
P S Strasburg
P J Hader

[cavebird]

Used round 7 and 8 to get some veteran hitters. In round 7 I grabbed Tommy Pham to give me my first OF and a speed power guy. On the way around the turn I decided 3B was getting ugly and while Donaldson is 34 he is signed through 2023 with a club option in 2024. So after 8 rounds I have...

1b Muncy
2b G Torres
SS T Turner
3b J Donaldson
OF T Pham

P L Castillo
P S Strasburg
P J Hader

My program likes your team better than mine. That's not good for me, lol.