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Thread: Anatomy of a Crazy Auction (very long read)

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    this is my last winner, in 2017. funny to see some names that seem like they're from 10 years ago:

    http://forum.rotojunkiefix.com/showt...hlight=anatomy
    entering 37th yr in same 12-team NL 5x5
    horrendous final week dropped me from a shot at 3rd to 6th
    won in 2017 15 07 05 04 02 93 90 84

    2020 candidates (keep up to 11)
    SP Scherzer 44, Samardzija 1, CSmith 1, Cueto 1, Marquez 10
    RP Stanek 8
    C Realmuto 13, 1O Belt 10, SS BCrawford 9
    OF CDickerson 17, O1 Cooper 10, JDyson 8

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    The drama kicked off quickly in the auction endgame. Dave still needed a third baseman and, as noted above, was in dollar days. However, I just had one OF slot, my utility slot, and catcher to block him. He tossed Starlin Castro for a buck. One of the expansion teams bid two. I was interested, but still sitting on McCutchen and JD Davis for my last two non-catcher slots. Since Davis is 3B/OF, I could block Dave on both Davis and Castro, however, and the next best 3B left was Kyle Seager. After that, nothing more than someone like Colin Moran. I like Castro, and I figured I would never get both Cutch and Davis, so after the expansion team (not Colin) bid $2, I tried to call a timeout. Specifically, I said that I was calling a ďBobby timeout.Ē Bobby is another guy in the league who regularly lends me timeouts, and I was out. Bobby then duly called timeout. After the resumption, I figured that Dave didnít get him and I was still holding out hope on Cutch and Davis, so I let him go. In retrospect, I should have bid $3, but it wasnít a big deal, I thought.

    Then someone figured out that the expansion teamís bid was illegal because he could take a SS, but not 2B or 3B (Castroís two positions). I assumed that the bidding would just resume at $1, and I tried to bid $2. But the commish (who was auctioning most players; our usual auctioneer was not available, so he did them when he wasnít in on a player; one of the other executive committee members (me and the defending champ) did them when he was bidding; a random league member would do it in the rare cases when all three of us were in) decided that I had already passed on Castro and just awarded Castro to Dave for $1. I objected explaining that I certainly didnít want to let Dave get him for $1. But the commish thought that was not a legitimate motive (I am not sure why; this isnít a salary cap league where multiple people can have the same player---part of the benefit of getting a player is that nobody else can have him.). And I got no reprieve from the third executive committee member because he thinks that borrowing timeouts from other teams should not be allowed. So Dave got Castro for $1. In a bit of a childish move, one the next player (Sam Hilliard; went to Colin for $2), I tried to hijack the auctioneering and when questioned about it by the commish, I explained that I was doing so to avoid him screwing me again. This was the longest auction we have had in my 16 years in the league by a large margin---mostly because three new teams had lots of money and were not as well versed in how we roll, but the auction degrading into a yelling match between executive committee members didnít help either. Mea cupla. Two extra notes: me and the commish buried the hatchet after the draft and, fwiw, Dave was more or less on my side in the debate, never thought he could get Castro, and understood about blocking other teams.

    It didnít get any better for me for a while. Harvey Hunter came out shortly thereafter, a guy I liked, but an expansion team got him for $5 because I was still holding on to my unrealistic Cutch/Davis dream. And hey, in my defense, Colin was bidding on random players---for example, he should have ended the Castro drama quickly, he had the money to do so and nobody better to fill that slot (his 2B ended up being Dee Gordon and he left $9 on the table), but he did not. And Colin was the only guy with the slots and money to get me on them (there was one other guy with money, but he just needed pitching, he kept five OF and filled his UT with Kepler earlier in the draft). A few tosses after Harvey, Colin tossed Cutch. Uh-oh. I had a max bid of $9 at that point. Cutch is a $10 player for Colin. I grabbed Vazquez for a buck on my next toss, and shortly thereafter sort of gave up on my Davis dream and got Karinchak for $4. That left me with a $6 max bid. And, of course, three tosses later, Davis came out. I bid him up, but, of course, he went to Colin for $7. Neil wasnít even there, and I got Neiled anyway, lol.

    After that, I filled out my roster with Ian Happ for $1, not a target, but hey, Iíll take the upside at that price; Kyle Seager at UT for $2; Ryne Stanek for $1 at RP; and German Marquez for $2 at SP. I loved getting Marquez since I needed the Kís, and heís more or less a half-time great starter if I bench him when he is at Coors (look at his splits, lol). Newcomb likely being in the rotation was a bonus since heíll be SP only after five starts and if I am part-timing Marquez, I want as many options as possible.
    Due to our league having ďfreeĒ keepers on our bench, there are often minor leaguers taken in the auction in the slots that will belong to the free keepers in the majors. That happens all the time. But, wow, it happened in spades this year. It is a questionable move for most because anyone taken in the auction cannot be a free keeper (only taken in the reserve rounds at auction; no FAAB pickups allowed either) and if the player does not have a starting MLB job next year, he basically canít be kept since heíll be locked in the starting lineup for $6 or more. Nevertheless, Andrew Vaughn went for $3, Nate Pearson for $1, Matt Manning for $1, Kiriloff for $1 (to Dave), Dylan Carlson for $2 (Steve outbidding Dave one final time, lol), and Julio Rodriguez for $1 with the owner (who has Eloy Jimenez to take the slot) explaining that he knew Rodriguez wouldnít be a keeper but he just wanted to fuck with everyone. Mister irrelevant in the auction was also the pick in the worst taste. Steve took Felipe Vazquez for $1 to finish things off. At least he has someone to drop when he has to move Luzardo to RP before the season starts.

    I will finish this off with just noting my reserve picks (I had no free keepers; I traded both of mine as part of deals to get Montas and E-Rod): CJ Abrams (restocking the farm); Taijuan Walker (more SP options); J.J. Bleday; Piscotty; Justin Smoak; Pablo Lopez; Blake Treinen (canít believe he was still there at that point); Eric Thames; Oneil Cruz; and Dexter Fowler.

    Next, I will try to cut and paste some of the rosters in, which will probably be a formatting nightmare. But this concludes the true anatomy of the auction except for the post-script where I try to decide if my team is any good.

  3. #23
    great stuff again!

    but does it make me a bad person if I agree with "I got no reprieve from the third executive committee member because he thinks that borrowing timeouts from other teams should not be allowed." ?

    sounds like the old winkwink of the Yankees and Kansas City A's BITD
    entering 37th yr in same 12-team NL 5x5
    horrendous final week dropped me from a shot at 3rd to 6th
    won in 2017 15 07 05 04 02 93 90 84

    2020 candidates (keep up to 11)
    SP Scherzer 44, Samardzija 1, CSmith 1, Cueto 1, Marquez 10
    RP Stanek 8
    C Realmuto 13, 1O Belt 10, SS BCrawford 9
    OF CDickerson 17, O1 Cooper 10, JDyson 8

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    Quote Originally Posted by Judge Jude View Post
    great stuff again!

    but does it make me a bad person if I agree with "I got no reprieve from the third executive committee member because he thinks that borrowing timeouts from other teams should not be allowed." ?

    sounds like the old winkwink of the Yankees and Kansas City A's BITD
    I must be a bad person too. Timeouts are silly. If you didn't come to your auction prepared you don't get a reprieve for being the least prepared. And now you are using someone else's timeout? Yeah, no.

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    POS $ Me $ Jeff $ Dave $ Commish $ Steve $ Colin $ Mike (other guy with good keepers)
    C 1 Vazquez,Christian 2 Jansen,Danny 1 Molina,Yadier 2 Narvaez,Omar 1 Smith,Will D. 9 Grandal,Yasmani 7 Perez,Salvador
    1B 44 Freeman,Freddie 4 Voit,Luke 30 Goldschmidt,P 1 Moreland,Mitch 1 Tellez,Rowdy 9 Walker,Christian 14 Bell,Josh
    CI 13 Cron,C.J. 7 Murphy,Daniel 55 Bellinger,Cody 2 Urshela,Gio 6 La Stella,Tommy 7 Davis,J.D. 2 Mancini,Trey
    3B 19 Turner,Justin 23 Donaldson,Josh 1 Castro,Starlin 40 Rendon,A 16 Bregman,Alex 2 Diaz,Yandy 22 Chapman,Matt
    2B 25 Moustakas,Mike 29 Merrifield,Whit 11 Albies,Ozzie 13 Lowe,Brandon 3 Odor,Rougned 2 Gordon,Dee 6 Biggio,Cavan
    MI 21 Rosario,Amed 10 Segura,Jean 11 Mondesi,Ad 5 Berti,Jon 2 Profar,Jurickson 1 Adames,Willy 6 Wong,Kolten
    SS 33 Bogaerts,Xander 21 Lindor,Francisco 6 Gregorius,Didi 35 Baez,Javier 26 Correa,Carlos 1 Simmons,Andrelton 14 Tatis,Fernando
    OF 11 Acuna,Ronald 16 Benintendi,A 26 Betts,Mookie 57 Yelich,Christian 6 Gurriel,Lourdes 4 Peralta,David 1 Senzel,Nick
    OF 33 Meadows,Austin 36 Harper,Bryce 6 Soto,Juan 6 Reynolds,Bryan 6 Brinson,Lewis 2 Hilliard,Sam 13 Soler,Jorge
    OF 22 Castellanos,Nick 12 Buxton,Byron 1 Reyes,Victor 11 Braun,Ryan 32 Judge,Aaron 10 McCutchen,Andrew 10 Reyes,Franmil
    OF 7 Anderson,Brian 13 Upton,Justin 1 Heyward,Jason 5 Akiyama,Shogo 23 Pham,Tommy 1 Santander,Anthony 7 Grisham,Trent
    OF 1 Happ,Ian 3 Puig,Yasiel 1 Kirilloff,Alex 6 Garcia,Avisail 3 Polanco,Gregory 7 Renfroe,Hunter 6 Peraza,Jose
    UT 1 Seager,Kyle 3 Bohm,Alec 1 Solak,Nick 12 Ohtani,Shohei 2 Carlson,Dylan 8 Davis,Khris 16 Andrus,Elvis
    SP 11 Flaherty,Jack 20 Clevinger,Mike 11 Wheeler,Zack 44 Verlander,Justin 58 DeGrom,Jacob 35 Bieber,Shane 6 Giolito,Lucas
    SP 6 Montas,Frankie 20 Castillo,Luis 57 Scherzer,Max 23 Woodruff,B 56 Buehler,Walker 22 Bauer,Trevor 37 Strasburg,Stephen
    SP 11 Rodriguez,Eduardo 14 Ryu,Hyun-Jin 29 Darvish,Yu 5 Tanaka,M. 27 Nola,Aaron 21 Glasnow,Tyler 14 Paddack,Chris
    SP 4 Musgrove,Joe 13 Urias,Julio 1 Kim,Kwang-H 1 Mikolas,Miles 17 Luzardo,Jesus 12 Carrasco,Carlos 26 Syndergaard,Noah
    SP 2 Sanchez,Anibal 7 Weaver,Luke 1 Fiers,Mike 1 Hill,Rich 1 Pearson,Nate 17 Gallen,Zac 6 Smith,Caleb
    SP 2 Marquez,German 2 Samardzija,Jeff 1 DeSclafani,A. 1 Montgomery,J 1 Gibson,Kyle 5 Bundy,Dylan 8 McCullers,Lance
    RP 1 Stanek,Ryne 1 May,Trevor 1 Liberatore,A 1 Lindblom,Josh 1 Vazquez,Felipe 7 Leclerc,Jose 9 Jimenez,Joe
    RP 2 Newcomb,Sean 2 Harris,Will 1 Suter,Brent 1 Petit,Yusmeiro 1 Garrett,Amir 20 Iglesias,Raisel 2 Oberg,Scott
    RP 4 Karinchak,James 2 Kahnle,Tommy 24 Giles,Ken 1 Stammen,Craig 1 Davis,Wade 23 Kimbrel,Craig 6 Kintzler,Brandon
    RP 6 Anderson,Nick 14 Kela,Keone 12 Martinez,Carlos 5 Betances,Dellin 4 Givens,Mychal 31 Yates,Kirby 16 Doolittle,Sean
    RP 7 Kennedy,Ian 19 Hand,Brad 6 Hendriks,Liam 7 Rogers,Taylor 1 Burdi,Nick 35 Hader,Josh 28 Osuna,Roberto
    RES 0 Abrams,C.J. 0 Dominguez,J 0 Witt,Bobby 0 Happ,J.A. 0 Larnach,Trevor 0 Luciano,Marco 0 Tsutsugo,Yoshitomo
    RES 0 Walker,Taijuan 0 Skubal,Tarik 0 Sanchez,Sixto 0 Longoria,Evan 0 Downs,Jeter 0 Robinson,Kristian 0 Long,Shed
    RES 0 Bleday,J.J. 0 Quintana,Jose 0 Means,John 0 O Neill,Tyler 0 McKay,Brendan 0 Brujan,Vidal 0 Tauchman,Mike
    RES 0 Piscotty,Stephen 0 Cabrera,Miguel 0 Pujols,Albert 0 Ahmed,Nick 0 Adell,Jo 0 Jones,Nolan 0 Dyson,Jarrod
    RES 0 Smoak,Justin 0 Stripling,Ross 0 Pineda,Michael 0 Bishop,Hunter 0 Pache,Cristian 0 Green,Riley 0 Aquino,Aristides
    RES 0 Lopez,Pablo 0 Kikuchi,Yusei 0 Winker,Jesse 0 Eovaldi,Nathan 0 Gore,Mackenzie 0 Peralta,Freddy 0 Mahle,Tyler
    RES 0 Treinen,Blake 0 Kendrick,Howie 0 Hayes,Ke'Bryan 0 Gonzalez,Gio 0 Kieboom,Carter 0 Margot,Manuel 0 Alberto,Hanser
    RES 0 Thames,Eric 0 Lopez,Reynaldo 0 Robert,Luis 0 Nimmo,Brandon 0 Mize,Casey 0 Taylor,Chris 0 Wright,Kyle
    RES 0 Cruz,Oneil 0 Bichette,Bo 0 Mesa,Victor 0 White,Evan 0 Puk,A.J. 0 Mauricio,Ronny 0 Diaz,Yusniel
    RES 0 Fowler,Dexter 0 Bart,Joey 0 Alvarez,Yordan 0 Lux,Gavin 0 Whitley,Forrest 0 Pena,Erick 0 Astudillo,Willians

    Yeah! Formatting only took 15 minutes. When I get bold later, I will bold the keepers so it makes more sense. Then I'll maybe even take a look at the teams and decide who I like.

    Well, crap, that didn't work. Looks great on my page before I post. I guess I need more formatting time for this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ken View Post
    I must be a bad person too. Timeouts are silly. If you didn't come to your auction prepared you don't get a reprieve for being the least prepared. And now you are using someone else's timeout? Yeah, no.
    Hey, I have no problem if they make it a rule. Just don't decide in the middle of an auction to change a practice that has gone on for years; that's my objection. If it is an announced change, that's fine. And no amount of preparation makes there be no requirement for thinking after your plan has its first encounter with the enemy. Some people think faster than others. I am a crappy blitz chess player.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cavebird View Post
    Hey, I have no problem if they make it a rule. Just don't decide in the middle of an auction to change a practice that has gone on for years; that's my objection. If it is an announced change, that's fine. And no amount of preparation makes there be no requirement for thinking after your plan has its first encounter with the enemy. Some people think faster than others. I am a crappy blitz chess player.
    And I note that everyone uses them. At least most of the contenders. Dave did only use one, but he was in dollar days before lunch. No need when you can't bid, lol.

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    cb, the issue isn't three 'timeouts' - we have 3 allowed passes, which I think dates back to the original book.

    it's why do you get a satellite collection of bonus timeouts when others don't. we have as collegial a group of owners as you'll ever see - all of us with 17+ years on this league in now - but if someone tried to offer a rival owner a 'freebie' like that, both owners would be laughed out of the room.
    entering 37th yr in same 12-team NL 5x5
    horrendous final week dropped me from a shot at 3rd to 6th
    won in 2017 15 07 05 04 02 93 90 84

    2020 candidates (keep up to 11)
    SP Scherzer 44, Samardzija 1, CSmith 1, Cueto 1, Marquez 10
    RP Stanek 8
    C Realmuto 13, 1O Belt 10, SS BCrawford 9
    OF CDickerson 17, O1 Cooper 10, JDyson 8

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    If it makes you feel any better I would agree with you on Castro. Bidding should have been rolled back to the last legal bid (Dave for $1) and then anyone should have been able to bid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Judge Jude View Post
    cb, the issue isn't three 'timeouts' - we have 3 allowed passes, which I think dates back to the original book.

    it's why do you get a satellite collection of bonus timeouts when others don't. we have as collegial a group of owners as you'll ever see - all of us with 17+ years on this league in now - but if someone tried to offer a rival owner a 'freebie' like that, both owners would be laughed out of the room.
    And, hey, if they wanted to make that the rule, that would be fine with me. (I am hardly the only one who has ever used one of these, so it is not like I am the only one who has them. Hell, some people preemptively call timeouts when others looking like they are considering bidding to try to draw more money out. On rare occasion, someone will call timeout when he has the high bid because they got caught price enforcing or whatnot. Those next work but always provoke a good round of laughter.) It would make some sense to have such a rule. I just don't think you do it in the middle of the auction. And, really, the timeout didn't mean anything because I passed on bidding $3 anyway.

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