2k20: Joey Votto

[joncarlos]

Put this one in the "I want to believe" files. Can Votto rebound?

https://www.msn.com/g00/en-us/sports/mlb/arriving-at-camp-early-cincinnati-reds-star-joey-votto-is-motivated-to-play-better/ar-BB102uMo?i10c.ua=1&i10c.encReferrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuYmluZy5jb20v&i10c.dv=23

As spring training neared, Votto did something he hasn’t done throughout his 13-year Major League career. He showed up more than a week early to camp, arriving in Arizona on Feb. 5, after canceling a planned vacation.

“I’m excited about the challenge this year,” Votto said. “I don’t think I’ve felt that in a long time.”

The Reds' lineup will certainly be better, if nothing else.

2019: 608 PA, 261/357/411, 15 HR, 47 RBI, 79 R, 5 SB. A .313 BABIP. 12.5% BB, 20.2% K (walk rate down 5%, K rate up 4%)

His hard hit rate was in the 42nd percentile and his exit velo was in the 44th percentile, so if he's going to rebound, he's got a long way to go.

THE BAT projection: 653pa, .266-16-70-83r-4sb
ATC projection: 614pa, .271-18-64-81r-4sb
Steamer projection: 670pa, .270-23-76-91r-4sb

[Gregg]

I have no idea what he will do. The main question is how much are we willing to pay to find out?

Has to be under $10 and near the end of the auction for me to be a player.

[Ken]

Has to be under $10 and near the end of the auction for me to be a player.

Even that's pretty generous.

[Sour Masher]

Yeah, I was burnt and maybe that informs a bias, but I don't trust a come back. I like Votto. Wish him well. But I won't pay to find out if he can bounce back.

[mgwiz22]

Even that's pretty generous.

Absolutely true , but would you rather have Votto, Pujols or Miguel Cabrera?

[Sour Masher]

Absolutely true , but would you rather have Votto, Pujols or Miguel Cabrera?

Votto, Miggy, Pujols in that order for me. All are big risks.

[Ken]

Votto, Miggy, Pujols in that order for me. All are big risks.

I mean, youngest to oldest makes sense....

[joncarlos]

Absolutely true , but would you rather have Votto, Pujols or Miguel Cabrera?

Votto is the logical answer, but man... Pujols hitting behind Trout and Rendon has a chance to go .240/.300/.440 with 100 RBIs.

[Gregg]

Votto is the logical answer, but man... Pujols hitting behind Trout and Rendon has a chance to go .240/.300/.440 with 100 RBIs.

Votto may be the logical answer, but Pujols is the correct one.

[cavebird]

Votto now has more talent around him and gets on base a ton to score runs. Votto over those two---he won't lose playing time; Pujols might. I agree that Votto, Miggy, Pujols is the right order. Given the ages, the odds that Pujols has hit the end of the line completely is higher.

[TS Garp]

I'd go Votto, Pujols, Cabrera (who is on a terrible team, has a hard time staying on the field and has slugged below .400 2 of the last 3 seasons). Also, while it's true that Pujols is theoretically in line for a lot of RBI, it's sort of canceled out by the fact that he's scored 53, 50, and 55 runs the last 3 years. Granted, Votto had 47 rbi in 2019, which is brutal, but I think he has a decent chance at a minor rebound, let's say 65-70 rbi and 80 runs. Votto and Pujols are somewhat close in my opinion, but I'm giving the edge based on being a bit younger.

[Sour Masher]

I'd go Votto, Pujols, Cabrera (who is on a terrible team, has a hard time staying on the field and has slugged below .400 2 of the last 3 seasons). Also, while it's true that Pujols is theoretically in line for a lot of RBI, it's sort of canceled out by the fact that he's scored 53, 50, and 55 runs the last 3 years. Granted, Votto had 47 rbi in 2019, which is brutal, but I think he has a decent chance at a minor rebound, let's say 65-70 rbi and 80 runs. Votto and Pujols are somewhat close in my opinion, but I'm giving the edge based on being a bit younger.

I can see that. I guess I can't quit Miggy. He is doing that thing where he said he got in shape, blah, blah, blah.

[TranaGreg]

It'd be interesting to know what the over/under is for ABs for Miggy. Then again maybe for Albert too. I'd think around 300 for Miggy, 400 for Albert?

[Sour Masher]

It'd be interesting to know what the over/under is for ABs for Miggy. Then again maybe for Albert too. I'd think around 300 for Miggy, 400 for Albert?

But Miggy found out veggies exist now!: https://twitter.com/beckjason/status...99342496276480