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    Quote Originally Posted by nullnor View Post
    the only common enemy is greed. i am no economist just understanding that i can almost explain what happened is a miracle, but i'll try.

    omg the amount of money they are throwing around now in an attempt to save our republic tells you we are in deep shit and something has been fundamentally wrong for a while. the last 20 or 30 years where ceo pay rose 900% and worker pay like 12%. a direct result from off shoring jobs while making good cheaper to buy. but instead you could've paid workers more and they would've had the money to buy the same goods, the only difference shareholders and executives would've made less.

    i've had two really good jobs in my life. jobs that taught me more than i ever learned in school. they took me off the streets and taught me skills. the first one was lost in plant closings during the dot.com bubble burst, the second one got shipped to India. that's when i realized to go to school for HVAC.

    the companies that set up shop in China are treasonous. Greed. they left this country naked. this has been 20 years in the making. saying we did it to try to make China have a stake in social responsibility is a lie. it's a communist country. i blame Nixon. it was never going to happen. it's like voodoo economics. it's an excuse for the 'job creators' to grab as much as they can before the shit hits the fan. we sold ourselves out for false promises.

    so you start to examine where we were and how we got here and the panic that is now ensuing, you start to realize that our country is in jeopardy. and it's this way because of 1% of our population. yet obviously communism is no better or worse.

    look at the money they are willing to throw around now. i remember when Bush's first veto was for a 5 billion child heath insurance bill. obviously the heroes act is a wish list. but it makes Obama's bail out of banks small potatoes.

    this country is going under, there is no common enemy except greed. i've played by the rules my entire life. and after getting outsourced a few times, i decided i'll fix peoples AC and furnaces. i'll keep people cool and warm. and now the government is willing to pay me to stay healthy until it's safe for me to rescue and keep comfortable the people that made these ridiculous circumstances in the first place. it's total panic. if i was in my right mind, i'd just go to Alaska and kill and skin my own animals and say screw all this and live by myself.

    we aren't innocent either. the poor sold out for cheap wide screen TV's and XBox's and goods, while slowly giving up the american dream buying food with food stamps at the dollar store.

    our decisions over the last 30 years are now blowing up in our faces. the virus just accelerated it. they are now offering unemployment pandemic assistance until 2021 and 10,000 off federal student loans. it won't be signed or pass, but it's desperation time.

    the jobs aren't going to re-shore. we can't pay our way out of this because while the virus happened overnight, there's no safety net left to fall upon. and this is because we left ourselves naked and vulnerable to a worst case scenario thinking it would never happen- when it was anything but inevitable.


    there's only one way out of this. you have to let it run it's course of devastation and then pick up the pieces.. even if we survive this, imagine the calls for austerity after the housing crises, the austerity after this is over is going to make that look Gandhian.

    this is total devastation. and the things that exploited it and made it inevitable and everyone vulnerable, will continue and make it 100 times worse when this is over. this isn't a moment when everyone is going to find a common enemy and come together and right the wrongs that exacerbated it and we find some magic and we all come together and rectify this desperate situation.

    again what do i really know. i don't know shit, i will be the first person to admit that. i am actually a pretty hopeful guy. but i am more scared for the world right now than ever.
    Jeff Bezos is on pace to become the world's first trillionaire in 2026. This is disgusting. Humanity serves a handful of elites, to produce nothing, give back nothing. If billionaire philanthropists did anything worthwhile this virus wouldn't have decimated the planet. Bill Gates' net worth since making a pledge to give it away over time, has gone up like 800% (something like $15 Bn up to $120 Bn).

    Capitalism is not moral, but as you say, we haven't figured out an acceptable alternative. I don't have any real answers other than eat the rich. I can only hope that this crisis shakes civilization to its core, and we rally to fight climate change. But we are a reactionary species, as this virus clearly illustrates. We only act when we see it's too late. We are fucked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teenwolf View Post
    Jeff Bezos is on pace to become the world's first trillionaire in 2026.
    Even after his divorce? I would be very surprised if he reached that number in his lifetime after his divorce, but his wealth is obscene, to be sure. It is disappointing he has not done more good with it. Gates has spent billions and billions to help people. Yes, he too is still obscenely wealthy, because he keeps making money, but I think he keeps his promise before it is all said and done and it hard to criticize a guy who has done as much good as him (even if his healthy, like everyone that rich, was built on the backs of hard working folks and at the expense of others, but that is capitalism, and at least he does a lot of good).

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    Despite widespread global support, the CCP Health Organization, known for some strange reason as the WHO, denies restoration of observer status to Taiwan:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVxm8LMnMkw

    Saddens but doesn't surprise me. I'd like to see the countries that are not under China's control quit the WHO and form a new global health org and include Taiwan and I think there is growing grass roots support for this but I don't know how much overall support there is really.

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    https://www.espn.com/espn/story/_/id...y-teams-reopen

    California considering this is a huge development for getting sports back sooner rather than later. I’m a little surprised.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nots View Post
    https://www.espn.com/espn/story/_/id...y-teams-reopen

    California considering this is a huge development for getting sports back sooner rather than later. I’m a little surprised.
    New York as well.

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    Some good news re: CV-19 for a change: promising results re: the vaccine that Moderna is developing. The report is from CNN:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krPe-n5r9CE

    It might be ready for market by Jan 2021. Large scale phase 3 clinical trials are planned for July. It took an average of 43 days for the patients to develop antibodies. There are issues re: the proper dosage to be worked out, particularly w patients w preexisting conditions.

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    My cousin posted an image on social media today saying: "The covid-19 solution - AFRAID - stay home, video conference, order curbside, wear a mask, NOT AFRAID - go to work, go to school, go to the park, travel and vacation, take the kids to the park, host/go to parties, enjoy life. YOU DO YOU AND I'LL DO ME. FREEDOM IS THE SOLUTION.".

    Multiple family members "liked" it.

    Ugh.

    My response (I'm sure I'll be roasted by my family):

    I don't agree with you here.

    We need leadership to continue focusing everyone on the common goal of protecting those at risk. It's not about being "afraid" it's about the safety of those who can be really hurt. Of course we have freedoms, and we should hold on to those and protect them, but there are also barriers in place to protect everyone's safety as well. And everyone wants those barriers, we don't just send criminals home and tell them to please be nicer, we place them in prison to protect the rest of us.

    Without dwelling too much on that comparison, I think the key is that you take all the precautions you can in order to protect others, not yourself. Can I still go to the park, safely, sure. But do I stay home when possible, absolutely. And it's not about fear, it's about respecting others who are vulnerable, because if everyone just said freedom is the solution and went out to parties, as this suggests, the death count is going to be ridiculously high. And it won't be just the people at the parties, they will take it home and hurt their loved ones.

    You do you and I do me doesn't work in this case unfortunately. That's the worst idea possible. The only way this works is a group effort. I can only keep myself from spreading this, but you can go spread it to numerous people if you choose to go party instead.

    I've found that those in the medical field that know about it much more than you and I generally agree with taking precautions (I'm sure we can find numerous youtube videos of doctors who don't but that's the exception rather than the rule in my opinion.) In fact, our cousin, a nurse who has treated patients with COVID, is adamant about taking more precautions. I think we should probably listen to her!

    My daughter has a rare disease, and I have no idea how this virus would work with her unique system. I have a cousin who has 1 lung. I have many family members who are older and might not be able to handle COVID. I'm going to do what I can to keep them safe to the best of my ability. If it means I don't get to go to a party, I'm okay with that. Will you join me in that?

    Highly respect your option and where you are coming from, but I disagree with the message you sent here. Staying home isn't about fear. Video conferencing isn't about fear. Ordering curbside isn't about fear. And wearing PPE isn't about fear. It's about caring about more than yourself. That's what I'm teaching my kids. They aren't afraid, but they care about their grandparents.

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    https://twitter.com/Ayjchan

    https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1...05.01.073262v1

    it's over, we lost. i spent 10 hours last night tracing things. when this pandemic hit, it hit like an epidemic in it's last stage. which obviously is abnormal.

    i can make a long essay, and i might. what disappointing me most, the reputable literature the journal Nature. the shit they published about the science of the coronavirus puts them next to the corruption of the WHO. that one paper, https://www.nature.com/articles/s415...l_q6c1LBx8-N24

    i can completely rip that apart. they blatantly lied. there was a backbone. and more. but they made some points but only in their errors to cover for their funding investors. and sadly, apparently, it's come to this. the journal nature has recently before retracted statements at the request of the communist party. but this is outright corruption in the form of science. i learned a lot from delineating the mistakes in the article. but they were so glaring.

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    the world is going to turn on china, it's going to get ugly. forget about the science, they aren't letting anyone investigate this. kick them out of the world trade organization, out of the UN security counsel.

    you know, Taiwan owes the world 6 trillion dollars. 1.6 trillion to the united states before 1949. so if China says Taiwan is part of China, than China owes the world 6 trillion in debt. COVID-19: The feasibility of making China legally responsible https://www.thedailystar.net/law-our...nsible-1903681

    we've fought 2 wars with China in Vietnam and North Korea. why did we ever, not only allow a communist country to become an ally economically, but help them to be stronger.

    China is going to get away with accidentally releasing this virus. because they might be the first ones, but some other country will be the last. gain of function. they should make some kind of law and dress it up to sound pretty. the gain of function patriot heroes care act. i think everyone could get behind something that sounds so promising.

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